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re: Devonte Graham to Pelicans for first round 2022 lottery-protected pick 4yrs/47 million

Posted on 8/2/21 at 10:11 pm to
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 8/2/21 at 10:11 pm to
I’m asking a question. If it doesn’t roll over

Then we either gave up a 1st but made the playoffs so who cares

Or we didn’t give up a first.
Posted by LSU Fan 90812
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Posted on 8/2/21 at 10:12 pm to
Anybody who watched him in Charlotte knows this guy is a scorer and shooter. Which is why I know a lot of the melters never watched a game
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 8/2/21 at 10:12 pm to
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Another positive thing is that even if he goes to the bench, at that price, it’s still good.
His contract is good. Giving up any sort of 1st is the issue. We helped the Bulls clear some space to make other moves by taking on Satoransky and we were only able to get a 2nd.
Posted by LSU Fan 90812
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Posted on 8/2/21 at 10:14 pm to
THIS. Lonzo “hot potato” Ball has more than a touch of the Ben Simmons.

Graham isn’t afraid of getting fouled. He wants the ball.
Posted by imAMAZING
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 8/2/21 at 10:15 pm to
Let's just be happy we didn't have to overpay a free agent for once to come here.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 8/2/21 at 10:15 pm to
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Anybody who watched him in Charlotte knows this guy is a scorer and shooter. Which is why I know a lot of the melters never watched a game


Doubt any of the melting has to do with the player. It has to do with giving up a 1st for the right to sign him to a contract. Poor negotiating by Griffin.
Posted by D011ahbi11
Member since Jun 2007
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Posted on 8/2/21 at 10:16 pm to
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Future is bright.


Heard this same shite last off-season.

SVG was a God on this board when he was hired
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 8/2/21 at 10:17 pm to
Lottery protected first and no one has yet to explain what happens after this season.

Does it become 2 2nds? The worst of a Pelican pick and Laker pick? A 2029 Bucks pick?
Posted by LSU Fan 90812
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Posted on 8/2/21 at 10:17 pm to
You either don’t understand how picks work, don’t know how many picks the Pels have upcoming still, or are drastically overvaluing non lottery picks.

Graham has about a 95% chance of being better than people drafted 15-30. The fact that he’s a rotation player getting more than 30 mpg assures that
Posted by Loaner1231
Member since Jan 2016
3903 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 10:17 pm to
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Let's just be happy we didn't have to overpay a free agent for once to come here.


And now that a team is being built that makes sense everyone is melting because they want the splash high dollar vet that would handcuff flexibility. Lonzo’s play is more consistent than Pels talk.
Posted by duyp
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 8/2/21 at 10:18 pm to
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SVG was a God on this board when he was hired


Most of us hated it. But tried to be optimistic from Zion’s and JJ’s compliments
This post was edited on 8/2/21 at 10:19 pm
Posted by LSU Fan 90812
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Posted on 8/2/21 at 10:18 pm to
I said IF he builds a 3 point shooting like Orlando around Dwight maybe it works. I watched the furst month of the season and thought they should’ve fired him right then
Posted by LSU Fan 90812
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Posted on 8/2/21 at 10:19 pm to


This board should be laughing its face off at some of the signings around the league
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 8/2/21 at 10:20 pm to
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Jval+Graham+NAW is an upgrade to Bled+Zo+Adams. Plus we still have $20 mil cap space, plus the MLE, plus the BAE, plus 1 year of improvement for BI and Zion.


A slight net upgrade isn't really moving the Western Conference needle for the Pels though. Not when that slight upgrade is to a non-playoff team.

Nuggets, Mavericks, Suns, Lakers, Clippers and Jazz all have.a stronger case than us going into the season as the better overall teams. So that slots us into the 7th seed. Dame's clutch play and the Grizzlies steady synergy will likely be pests all season as well.

The problem is that this team needed to make significant progress, and we spent assets like a team seeking to do just that, but on the whole, when stepping back and looking at the league, you might be able to make the case we moved from play-in team to maybe 6th seed, but we're gonna need more than that. And this FA struggle just illustrated why a small market shouldn't be giving up draft capital recklessly.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 8/2/21 at 10:20 pm to
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Heard this same shite last off-season.

SVG was a God on this board when he was hired



Almost everyone complained of the roster construction and the lack of deals
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
26898 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 10:22 pm to
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You either don’t understand how picks work, don’t know how many picks the Pels have upcoming still, or are drastically overvaluing non lottery picks.


And you don’t know how free agency works.

Im glad we got him, and im happy with the contract, but why the frick did we have to give up anything to sign him? It’s not like we don’t have cap space. This makes zero sense right now.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 8/2/21 at 10:22 pm to
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Graham has about a 95% chance of being better than people drafted 15-30. The fact that he’s a rotation player getting more than 30 mpg assures that
So does Lonzo...

quote:

You either don’t understand how picks work, don’t know how many picks the Pels have upcoming still
Having lots of picks should never be a reason to value your picks as lesser.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
118990 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 10:22 pm to
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A slight net upgrade isn't really moving the Western Conference needle for the Pels though. Not when that slight upgrade is to a non-playoff team.


First of all, it’s more than slight in my opinion.

2nd, did we need MASSIVE UPGRADES this off-season if you believe in Zion and other young guys? What about just improving fit?

Who could they have gotten that would have been some, massive upgrade?
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 10:23 pm to
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Graham has about a 95% chance of being better than people drafted 15-30. The fact that he’s a rotation player getting more than 30 mpg assures that




Its very surreal to hear people trying to justify the shedding of draft capital as largely consequence-less by propping up the acquisition of a second rounder using a first.

Graham is proof of concept that being smart with draft picks is a valuable tool to help small market teams find quality talent and keep the pipline flowing.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
12585 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 10:24 pm to
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You either don’t understand how picks work, don’t know how many picks the Pels have upcoming still, or are drastically overvaluing non lottery picks.

Graham has about a 95% chance of being better than people drafted 15-30. The fact that he’s a rotation player getting more than 30 mpg assures that

There was no need to give up any 1st. How many of all of the S&Ts gave up a 1st? Was Griffin able to pull a 1st from Chicago when it was known that they needed to shed about $10 million in the deal? We helped them for a 2nd. The Hornets drafted Bouknight. They were not going to re-sign Graham.
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