re: Current Roster / roster battles

I'm going to jump on this again because I just checked to make sure. Redick has started ZERO games Zion played. Every start was related to Zion's absence.

He also didn't start 4 games he did play early in the year without Zion.

So my assertion that he was only starting because Zion was out is 100% correct.

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So my assertion that he was only starting because Zion was out is 100% correct.

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Great, good job. I never said shite about him starting. Being a starter does not always correlate with more minutes. Josh Hart played the 4th most minutes on our team and started 16 games.

Zion came back right when Redick tweaked his hamstring. JJ literally said he was limited once he got hurt.

Anyway don’t let this distract us from you saying he will play 18 minutes a game

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Starting matters

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Nah, finishing matters. And Hart will finish

I've read the comments from them and it is a shame. Hart is gone after this season. IMO they are doing him dirty. Ball is a project at SG. He has been a lead guard his whole life. But he is going to swap over and take the spot. Hart will have to bulk up even more to play out of position and grab what minutes he can as a back up SF. Thats just BS. He is the best SG on the team and has sacrificed for 3 years. They still aren't going to give him any run, then they are going to try and low ball him on his next deal. NAW and Melli both made more money than him last season.

I'm totally biased as Hart is my favorite player on the team. But I'd be pissed if I were him. I'd ask for a trade. He can definately start and shine for a half dozen teams in the league, plus not have to play out of position. My only hope is that he dominates in camp and SVG has no choice but to readjust..

I get it. Really I do. But I don't know why Hart would give a shite about Ball's future and would willingly take a back seat while they figure it out. He is in the exact same position. He is a RFA this coming summer. He didn't get an extension, so he is playing for his next contract. Call him a SG, SF, Wing.. he is not playing at his ideal spot. But he is a good dude and will suck it up. I just hate seeing a guy that has had to fight for his spot and has done everything asked of him have to swallow this crap another season. I get Holiday or Redick starting over him. But Ball? It just isn't fair..

Starting is arbitrary. Lonzo could be benched after 2 minutes.

As long as Hart gets his minutes, which he will, it's fine.

Stop being such a huge starting baby. It doesn't mean anywhere as much as you think

I think hart will be that 6th man off the bench and will play a shite load

Svg is going to love hart

I see jj getting at the very least 25 mins. No way he only plays 20 mins

Ball's value is dependant on how he plays this year.

If he plays amazing then he's gonna be worth the contract or will be a valuable trade piece. If he sux he'll be cheap or we find someone will to punt like the Knicks.

Hart will get between 12-15. A Marcus Smart type contract. Definitely matching at 10mil, don't worry about that. One of the best rebounding guards in the league and hustles his Hart out every play. I could also see the Knicks offering him a big contract. That's the scary part.

Bledsoe is tradeable on that contract I think. I'll admit I don't watch a lot of him, but he did make an all-defensive team over Jrue

If we keep Ball, then Redick is squeezed out

We save 12 mil on Adams too

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If you aren't keeping Lonzo, benching him hurts his trade value.

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If he's trash, it actually helps the trade value

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I know we have the right to match. But what if someone offers Hart 10M+. We aren't going to match that. We could extend him now for way less. I just think they should be more decisive and they are ruining a great opportunity..

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They most definitely would match that. He's going to get around $12M easily.

And you do realize that Hart played 27mpg last year and only average 10ppg right? He is a very similar player in stats and skills to KCP, although i'd much rather Hart than KCP. Yes i know Hart brings more to the team than just looking at his ppg. He's easily everyone's favorite Pelican, myself included. He will get a similar contract that he's been getting, which is around that $12-14M/yr.

He's the kind of guy that can without a doubt start for you, but that's not where he will be best at b/c of the energy he will bring off the bench, and he's going to close a lot of games out for you, which is a hell of a lot more important than starting.


I'm pretty sure we already know we want to keep Josh Hart next year, regardless of what else goes on this year or whatever roster changes we have. You absolutely cannot say the same about Lonzo. He's basically trying out for us right now if we want to keep him. I broke down salary ranges in another thread not too long ago for the types of players getting that $16-20M range, and then the $10-14M range from this past year. Lonzo is no where near the guys in the $16-20M range. If some idiot team wants to give him that, then so be it, but i'd bet it won't be us unless he has some huge break out year.

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If Ball can't be a lead guard, then IMO Hart is the better wing and player. He has more value.

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Not many would argue against that.

I just don't understand why you are putting so much value on starting. Hart had the 5th most mpg on the team last year. No one is doing him dirty. Marcus Smart is usually 4th or 5th in mpg for the Celtics. Similar player, similar contract to what Hart will get.