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Current Roster / roster battles
Posted on 11/30/20 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 11/30/20 at 1:31 pm
PG: Eric Bledose, Kira Lewis Jr, NAW, (Lonzo)
SG: Lonzo, JJ, Hart, Thornwell, (NAW)
SF: BI, Wenyen Gabriel, Naji Marshall* (Thornwell), (Hart)
PF: Zion, Melli, (Wenyen Gabriel)
C: Adams, Hayes, Willy Hernangomez, Will Magnay*
( ) = players that will most likely get minutes at other position
* = 2 way contracts
Position battles to watch:
PG: NAW, Kira Lewis Jr, (lonzo for fit)
SG: Lonzo, NAW, Hart
SF: Gabriel, Thornwell, Naji Marshall*
PF: Melli, Gabriel
C: Hayes, Hernangomez, Will Magnay*
SG: Lonzo, JJ, Hart, Thornwell, (NAW)
SF: BI, Wenyen Gabriel, Naji Marshall* (Thornwell), (Hart)
PF: Zion, Melli, (Wenyen Gabriel)
C: Adams, Hayes, Willy Hernangomez, Will Magnay*
( ) = players that will most likely get minutes at other position
* = 2 way contracts
Position battles to watch:
PG: NAW, Kira Lewis Jr, (lonzo for fit)
SG: Lonzo, NAW, Hart
SF: Gabriel, Thornwell, Naji Marshall*
PF: Melli, Gabriel
C: Hayes, Hernangomez, Will Magnay*
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 1:32 pm
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Posted on 11/30/20 at 1:39 pm to Dantheman504
Hart will be backing up Ingram out of necessity. He might get a few minutes here and there at guard, but he'll be mostly at SF.
I think Gabriel will give Melli a good run for minutes, but I can also see him playing some SF.
I think Gabriel will give Melli a good run for minutes, but I can also see him playing some SF.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 11/30/20 at 1:39 pm to Dantheman504
I believe that Thornwell is our emergency guy as of now and will be our first inactive player at #14.
NAW looks to be on the hot seat.
Very interested to see where we can play Gabriel and what his potential is.
There is little room for Naji Marshall or Will Magnay to get minutes or show their skill sets this season. I do think Naji Marshall could be a dark horse for the active roster barring trades or other player developmemt.
NAW looks to be on the hot seat.
Very interested to see where we can play Gabriel and what his potential is.
There is little room for Naji Marshall or Will Magnay to get minutes or show their skill sets this season. I do think Naji Marshall could be a dark horse for the active roster barring trades or other player developmemt.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 1:41 pm to bonethug0180
No doubt, I just put the multi position players last so that it is easier to see the roster breakdown.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 11/30/20 at 4:04 pm to Dantheman504
quote:Most interesting one for me.
PG: NAW, Kira Lewis Jr,
Man, if you think there are 240 minutes in a game, we really run out of minutes pretty quickly for some dudes I'd otherwise think should be getting more minutes, if you will.
Bledsone/Lonzo/BI/Zion/Adams - Let's just say those 5 average around 32 mpg.
Now we only have 80 minutes left for JJ/Hart/Hayes/NAW/Kira/Meli
Breaking it down a bit further and assuming Hart/JJ get about 25mpg, now we're down to 30 minutes left for Hayes/NAW/Kira/Meli.
Best guess is eventually the 30 minutes gets split between Hayes and the winner of the NAW/Kira battle with Meli eventually losing a spot in the rotation. I don't know, seems like we like Meli enough to get him some minutes, but I just don't see who loses minutes to make room for him.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 5:21 pm to shel311
I don't think Bledsoe and Adams will average 30+ minutes a game (though obviously they'll have games where they play longer).
I think the breakdown will be closer to 150 minutes for the starters and 90 for the rest.
And if you really examine last year, Hart and JJ (especially JJ) got a lot of starts so that uped their average. JJ started more than half the games. That was due to the injuries we had.
I see his role shrinking this season, though still getting at minimum 14 mpg, but no more than 20.
I think Hart still gets between 22-26 though. He's young and hustles and is pretty good.
I did my expected breakdown of minutes in another thread. I guess it could make sense to post it here too.
I think the breakdown will be closer to 150 minutes for the starters and 90 for the rest.
And if you really examine last year, Hart and JJ (especially JJ) got a lot of starts so that uped their average. JJ started more than half the games. That was due to the injuries we had.
I see his role shrinking this season, though still getting at minimum 14 mpg, but no more than 20.
I think Hart still gets between 22-26 though. He's young and hustles and is pretty good.
I did my expected breakdown of minutes in another thread. I guess it could make sense to post it here too.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 5:30 pm to bonethug0180
quote:If they average a couple of minutes less, it'll likely be balanced out by a BI or Zion average a couple of minutes over 32. Or at least I surely hope we don't end up in a situation where no one averages over 32mpg.
I don't think Bledsoe and Adams will average 30+ minutes a game (though obviously they'll have games where they play longer).
quote:It would royally suck if our starters averaged 30mpg.
I think the breakdown will be closer to 150 minutes for the starters
quote:Not saying you're wrong, but if JJ is near 15mpg, who is going to provide 3pt shooting for us?
I see his role shrinking this season, though still getting at minimum 14 mpg, but no more than 20.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 5:32 pm to shel311
You're hoping the other guards and Ingram.
That'll determine if JJ's role shrinks or expands.
Lewis has a decent stroke. Bledsoe too. Lonzo is also rounding into form.
As for the starter minutes, I'd have Bledsoe at 28 (partly depth, partly because he's 30 and we need to get the young guys minutes) and Adams at 26 (he's played a good bit of minutes for how much he bangs). The other 3 would be at or over 30.
If Adams plays more, it means Hayes plays less imo. It would also mean he isn't developing like we'd hope.
That'll determine if JJ's role shrinks or expands.
Lewis has a decent stroke. Bledsoe too. Lonzo is also rounding into form.
As for the starter minutes, I'd have Bledsoe at 28 (partly depth, partly because he's 30 and we need to get the young guys minutes) and Adams at 26 (he's played a good bit of minutes for how much he bangs). The other 3 would be at or over 30.
If Adams plays more, it means Hayes plays less imo. It would also mean he isn't developing like we'd hope.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 11/30/20 at 5:36 pm to bonethug0180
Assuming about 150 minutes for the starters and 90 for the reserves (give or take 1-2 minutes here and there with any player), this would be the start of the season:
Starters
Bledsoe- 28
Ball- 32
Ingram-32
Williamson- 32
Adams- 26
Reserves
Hart- 24
Redick- 18
Melli- 16
Hayes- 14
Walker-10
Lewis- 6
Hernangomez- 2
Gabriel- 0
Thornwell- inactive
And of course that won't be every night. I think Gabriel will get some run in some games, but none in others, at least to start. He and Hernangomez basically switching who gets those last couple of minutes. Thornwell would also be in the same boat but I think he is below both a little.
I also think as the season goes on Redick will lose a couple of more minutes (2-4) to the young guys.
I think Lewis will eventually overtake NAW as the top guard backup.
If Hayes develops I think he can steal more minutes from Melli. On the flip side if he does poorly I can see Hernangomez and/or Gabriel being given bigger roles.
This is also in an ideal, no injury scenario.
Starters
Bledsoe- 28
Ball- 32
Ingram-32
Williamson- 32
Adams- 26
Reserves
Hart- 24
Redick- 18
Melli- 16
Hayes- 14
Walker-10
Lewis- 6
Hernangomez- 2
Gabriel- 0
Thornwell- inactive
And of course that won't be every night. I think Gabriel will get some run in some games, but none in others, at least to start. He and Hernangomez basically switching who gets those last couple of minutes. Thornwell would also be in the same boat but I think he is below both a little.
I also think as the season goes on Redick will lose a couple of more minutes (2-4) to the young guys.
I think Lewis will eventually overtake NAW as the top guard backup.
If Hayes develops I think he can steal more minutes from Melli. On the flip side if he does poorly I can see Hernangomez and/or Gabriel being given bigger roles.
This is also in an ideal, no injury scenario.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 6:12 pm to shel311
Mellli got more run last year bc of Zion’s injury. He was a DNP for nearly 20% of our games. He’s a liability on D and is matchup based. Will the versatility we have I do not see getting tons of run
You can say he’s wrong. He’s not playing 15 mpg
JJ is a SVG guy and he’s still the only knockdown shooter we have. His spacing will be needed
quote:
Not saying you're wrong, but if JJ is near 15mpg, who is going to provide 3pt shooting for us?
You can say he’s wrong. He’s not playing 15 mpg
JJ is a SVG guy and he’s still the only knockdown shooter we have. His spacing will be needed 
Posted on 11/30/20 at 6:24 pm to GynoSandberg
Hayes starts are DIRECTLY linked to Favors injury. He started 14 games while playing 64. Favors started only 49 games while playing 51 (one game off from direct correlation but I'm sure someone else missed 1 game).
To further that, Hayes himself didn't play 8 games, and that is the exact number of starts Melli had.
JJ is the one who got way more run with Zion out. 36 starts in 60 games, while Zion played and started 24 (direct correlation).
That will not be the case this year. His minutes per game were inflated by starting over half the games he played.
He will still get minutes, but it won't be over 20 per game, barring injuries obviously.
To further that, Hayes himself didn't play 8 games, and that is the exact number of starts Melli had.
JJ is the one who got way more run with Zion out. 36 starts in 60 games, while Zion played and started 24 (direct correlation).
That will not be the case this year. His minutes per game were inflated by starting over half the games he played.
He will still get minutes, but it won't be over 20 per game, barring injuries obviously.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 11/30/20 at 6:51 pm to bonethug0180
You didn’t follow last season huh? You are looking at stat pages trying to formulate an argument. JJ had a nagging hamstring that limited him in January and Feb that he tried to play through then ultimately had to sit out. Hence the drop in minutes. He addresses it directly on his podcast. There is no way he’s playing under 20 mpg
Favors missed like 4 weeks when his mom died. He and Zion’s absence allows Melli and Hayes more run then they normally would get.
Favors missed like 4 weeks when his mom died. He and Zion’s absence allows Melli and Hayes more run then they normally would get.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 7:16 pm to GynoSandberg
I mean one of us will obviously be right and one wrong.
That's just my guess based on this year's roster and the fact he is 36 and will be 37 at the end of the season. Guard has better depth (if Lewis pans out like I think he will and NAW has a year under him). Injuries forced him into starts. If everyone stayed healthy he would have gotten 0 starts.
And him being banged up only gets worse with age. I know he missed games and that is also a factor in wanting to limit his minutes. You want to keep him healthy the whole year, not wear him down.
That's just my guess based on this year's roster and the fact he is 36 and will be 37 at the end of the season. Guard has better depth (if Lewis pans out like I think he will and NAW has a year under him). Injuries forced him into starts. If everyone stayed healthy he would have gotten 0 starts.
And him being banged up only gets worse with age. I know he missed games and that is also a factor in wanting to limit his minutes. You want to keep him healthy the whole year, not wear him down.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 11/30/20 at 7:27 pm to bonethug0180
Redick originally hurt his hamstring on 1/6 vs UTA. Played through it until 3/3 when the Pels announced he would be out 2 weeks minimum. League shuts down on 3/8. Only averaged 23 mpg from 1/6 to 3/3. He was at 28 mpg the 35 games prior. I mean if you want to account for injuries you can’t pick and chose
Read up on SVG’s offense. Redick skillset will be integral
Read up on SVG’s offense. Redick skillset will be integral
Posted on 11/30/20 at 7:32 pm to bonethug0180
quote:
I think Hart still gets between 22-26 though. He's young and hustles and is pretty good.
I don't understand the view on Hart. He is the most complete, balanced SG on the roster. He is 25, entering his prime and his minutes have increased each season. He is a top 5 player on the roster. Why would he or should he come off the bench?
Posted on 11/30/20 at 7:35 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:
Read up on SVG’s offense. Redick skillset will be integral
He singled JJ out today in the presser as one of 4 players on the team he planned to run plays for, Bledsoe/Ingram/Zion being the other 3.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 7:36 pm to brmark70816
quote:
Why would he or should he come off the bench?
Ask SVG, he said today that Bledsoe and Ball are the starting backcourt
Posted on 11/30/20 at 7:40 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
He singled JJ out today in the presser as one of 4 players on the team he planned to run plays for, Bledsoe/Ingram/Zion being the other 3.
Of course. Him being on the court is huge
Posted on 11/30/20 at 7:43 pm to brmark70816
quote:
Why would he or should he come off the bench?
You can argue that Hart > Lonzo, that's how I feel based on their production on both sides of the ball last year, but there are other things to consider.
- You need to make a decision on whether or not Lonzo will be worth a big raise, and that requires seeing him with the starters.
- If you aren't keeping Lonzo, benching him hurts his trade value.
- Lonzo's value is highest when he's paired with Zion while Hart gives you similar productivity regardless of when he plays.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 7:44 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:
He was at 28 mpg the 35 games prior
You mean the period Zion was out he averaged starter minutes because he started those games (35 of the 36 he started)? You don't say.
If Zion had played, he doesn't get 28 mpg in those games.
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