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re: Consultation firm recommended 5-6 names for GM, Gayle and Lauscha will make decision
Posted on 3/26/19 at 6:10 am to Suntiger
Posted on 3/26/19 at 6:10 am to Suntiger
If Pels or Knicks get the #1 pick, this job could go from a B or B- job to an A job.
I remember when D'Antoni was the hottest coach on the market and everyone was fighting for him. He was down to the Knicks and the Bulls and chose the Knicks. A few days later, the draft lottery is held and the Bulls jumped up from projected 8th pick to #1 and D'Antoni later said if he had waited, he would have taken the Bulls job, knowing they would get Rose.
Point is: You probably could get any GM you want if you give them full power and the chance to build around Zion. Try to hire before then, and its possible (if not likely) that the top, top tier guys turn you down. Personally, I would do interviews in April, but I wouldn't make an offer until after the lottery unless I was 1000% sure the #1 guy would take it even without knowledge of the lotto results
I remember when D'Antoni was the hottest coach on the market and everyone was fighting for him. He was down to the Knicks and the Bulls and chose the Knicks. A few days later, the draft lottery is held and the Bulls jumped up from projected 8th pick to #1 and D'Antoni later said if he had waited, he would have taken the Bulls job, knowing they would get Rose.
Point is: You probably could get any GM you want if you give them full power and the chance to build around Zion. Try to hire before then, and its possible (if not likely) that the top, top tier guys turn you down. Personally, I would do interviews in April, but I wouldn't make an offer until after the lottery unless I was 1000% sure the #1 guy would take it even without knowledge of the lotto results
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 6:15 am to BetOnIt
The only thing I took out of this thread is that every time BetOnIt posts the more sure I become that he’s a Crewz alter.
This post was edited on 3/26/19 at 6:16 am
Posted on 3/26/19 at 7:13 am to CP3forMVP
All this great conversation about what is the biggest decision this franchise has to make and the ONLY thing you took from this thread is that I might be some guy from the past?
Sad.
Sad.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 7:15 am to CP3forMVP
I doubt we get the #1 pick, but the bigger thing besides the pick is AD who the GM can trade to lay a foundation for whatever he wants to build. IMHO.
Not that I’m in total disagreement that it provides more clarity for a potential POBO/GM, but that might be a bigger issue for a coach. Which we may want to make a move quickly on a coach after the lottery.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 8:05 am to Suntiger
You would have plenty of time if you hired a new GM on May 20th. I see the small downsides but I think the significant upsides are worth waiting
Posted on 3/26/19 at 8:35 am to BetOnIt
I understand your opinion but I don’t think some wizard is going to not want the job on April 15th and then all of a sudden want it on May 16. And I may not want that guy if that’s the case.
Prettt much the same people will be interested. Get it over with and pick the best guy now.
Prettt much the same people will be interested. Get it over with and pick the best guy now.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:04 am to Fun Bunch
I disagree. Think about it this way.
Remember when LeBron left Cleveland the first time. That summer they had a coach opening and if LeBron was willing to resign ling term, guys like Izzo and Cal were willing to come to Cleveland to coach. They could have had almost any coach they wanted. But those guys were only willing to come if he was staying and wouldn't even consider the job if he left.
A rebuild with Zion would entice the best of the best.
Remember when LeBron left Cleveland the first time. That summer they had a coach opening and if LeBron was willing to resign ling term, guys like Izzo and Cal were willing to come to Cleveland to coach. They could have had almost any coach they wanted. But those guys were only willing to come if he was staying and wouldn't even consider the job if he left.
A rebuild with Zion would entice the best of the best.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:07 am to BetOnIt
We are talking about GM right now not HC right?
It’s a different situation. Lebron was gone. We still have AD to trade, one of the best trade assets in the league. And teams with assets that are interested.
I think a lot of smart guys will want the job regardless of who gets the #1 pick. I don’t think we can afford to wait that long. I understand your reasoning but don’t think it’s necessary.
It’s a different situation. Lebron was gone. We still have AD to trade, one of the best trade assets in the league. And teams with assets that are interested.
I think a lot of smart guys will want the job regardless of who gets the #1 pick. I don’t think we can afford to wait that long. I understand your reasoning but don’t think it’s necessary.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:27 am to BetOnIt
quote:I would agree. Someone like Zion would make that GM look "smarter" and allows for a potentially easier route to success. I see no issue with waiting until the lottery to ensure you get the best hire.
A rebuild with Zion would entice the best of the best.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:28 am to Fun Bunch
The real question is when are we going to start getting leaks as to who the candidates are?
Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:28 am to Fun Bunch
We are not disagreeing here. A lot of people will want the job regardless. I believe the best of the best will only want it if you can build around Zion.
Imagine Memphis has a GM opening this summer. Do you think they have the same level of people say yes if they have the 7th pick this year as the 1st?
I think a lot of things are up for debate. I don't think this is. The job goes from somewhat appealing to immensely appealing. Now, you can argue that a B candidate with more time to prepare for the AD trade and draft is better than having an A candidate on a tight timeline. Thats a fine debate.
But whether or not you can get better guys to consider/take the job if you have the #1 pick or if the Knicks do and signal they will trade it for AD... I don't think that is even debatable.
Imagine Memphis has a GM opening this summer. Do you think they have the same level of people say yes if they have the 7th pick this year as the 1st?
I think a lot of things are up for debate. I don't think this is. The job goes from somewhat appealing to immensely appealing. Now, you can argue that a B candidate with more time to prepare for the AD trade and draft is better than having an A candidate on a tight timeline. Thats a fine debate.
But whether or not you can get better guys to consider/take the job if you have the #1 pick or if the Knicks do and signal they will trade it for AD... I don't think that is even debatable.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:32 am to BetOnIt
Well who are the A candidates and who are the B candidates?
For example.
For example.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:33 am to burdman
quote:
The real question is when are we going to start getting leaks as to who the candidates are?
Lauscha basically said that they didn't want to do public interviews until after the season and you would hear something in a "couple of weeks", so I imagine after the season ends there will be some leaks. It also implies that their list of guys are people with other teams for the most part, and not the McHales and Dumars of the world.
This post was edited on 3/26/19 at 9:34 am
Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:45 am to Fun Bunch
So, Warren would be an A candidate. Troy Weaver, Sam Hinkie, David Griffin. Maybe even someone like Brian Wright. All of those guys can afford to be very picky about their next job. They are in no rush to jump at the first/next opportunity.
Now, does this mean these guys would all do better than a "B" candidate? No. It's possibly someone else can do better. But those guys will only go to a situation if they see a path to a title team somewhere down the line. Pels get the 9th pick and are trading AD for Tatum, Smart, and some picks and there is no path to winning a title. Maybe one or two of those guys would take the job. They get the #1 pick or Knicks do, I think all of those guys would heavily consider, if not take the job
Now, does this mean these guys would all do better than a "B" candidate? No. It's possibly someone else can do better. But those guys will only go to a situation if they see a path to a title team somewhere down the line. Pels get the 9th pick and are trading AD for Tatum, Smart, and some picks and there is no path to winning a title. Maybe one or two of those guys would take the job. They get the #1 pick or Knicks do, I think all of those guys would heavily consider, if not take the job
Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:58 am to BetOnIt
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So, Warren would be an A candidate. Troy Weaver, Sam Hinkie, David Griffin. Maybe even someone like Brian Wright.
I assume you mean Zarren.
You think all of those guys are "A" candidates and wouldn't take the job unless we have the #1 pick? Damn. I'd hate to see the B list then.
I think Griffin would take the job in a heartbeat if he's given the requisite amount of power and resources. The rest I don't know. I don't consider Griffin an "A" candidate at all though.
But that is the level of candidate I want.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 10:03 am to BetOnIt
Disagree with Weaver being an A candidate. There’s a reason he is still an assistant GM after being a hot name for a decade while Hennigan and Winger have both gotten GM jobs.
He’s a great talent evaluator, but I don’t think he has the organizational skills to run his own show.
He’s a great talent evaluator, but I don’t think he has the organizational skills to run his own show.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 10:12 am to NOFOX
Again, I am not saying they are the best people. I am saying they have the ability to say no and be patient. That is not a luxury most have. These guys would get interviews for almost any GM job that came up, so they are an 'A' in that regard.
Might you be able to get one or some of them with the #9 pick and a good asset to trade in AD? Maybe. But you definitely get most, if not all, of them with Zion.
More options is better than less. Again, I see such little downside to waiting to May 16th
Might you be able to get one or some of them with the #9 pick and a good asset to trade in AD? Maybe. But you definitely get most, if not all, of them with Zion.
More options is better than less. Again, I see such little downside to waiting to May 16th
Posted on 3/26/19 at 10:47 am to BetOnIt
quote:
Again, I am not saying they are the best people. I am saying they have the ability to say no and be patient. That is not a luxury most have. These guys would get interviews for almost any GM job that came up, so they are an 'A' in that regard.
Weaver gets lots of interviews. What he doesn't get is job offers. No one is that picky to stay in OKC for 10 years.
Also why are assuming that the hire occurs before May 16th anyhow? They can begin initial interviews before the lottery and still make a hire knowing their draft position.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 10:49 am to NOFOX
Who is assuming? I just said I would wait.
It seems like many are impatient here. They want the names, they want a hire, and they want it NOW.
Personally, I would start interviews in late April, continue them for a few weeks. I am just saying I don't make the actual offer to my top candidate until after the lottery
It seems like many are impatient here. They want the names, they want a hire, and they want it NOW.
Personally, I would start interviews in late April, continue them for a few weeks. I am just saying I don't make the actual offer to my top candidate until after the lottery
Posted on 3/26/19 at 10:59 am to BetOnIt
If they're interviewing active candidates then waiting is a benefit because they'd have access to the latest scouting info from their team plus whatever the Pels are compiling. With as many picks as the Pels could have this year every bit of added draft intel could be useful.
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