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re: Can Pels get two solid wings come trade deadline?
Posted on 7/30/18 at 8:58 am to cgrand
Posted on 7/30/18 at 8:58 am to cgrand
quote:The OP's question said between now and Feb, so FEB is part of the discussion and the salary will be less than $26 million by then.
no but asik wasnt traded last year at this time, he was traded in FEB and he was only owed $14MM gtd. solo is owed 26MM gtd. plus, CHI had a player we wanted and was re-building
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 9:02 am to NOSHAU
fair enough
lets hear some solo trade ideas then.
i'm not trying to argue, i'm just saying we are stuck with solo till next year
lets hear some solo trade ideas then.
i'm not trying to argue, i'm just saying we are stuck with solo till next year
Posted on 7/30/18 at 9:32 am to cgrand
how about a realistic trade (ie: not solo)
POR: ajinca + 1st
NOP: aminu
why POR does it
they are in and out of the tax, CJ/lillard core might not be the answer, GM is nearing hot-seat territory, natives getting restless. aminu will be UFA after this season, and surely looking for a raise. they could package the pick and try to get off of the leonard or turner deals and start fresh
why NOP does it:
POR: ajinca + 1st
NOP: aminu
why POR does it
they are in and out of the tax, CJ/lillard core might not be the answer, GM is nearing hot-seat territory, natives getting restless. aminu will be UFA after this season, and surely looking for a raise. they could package the pick and try to get off of the leonard or turner deals and start fresh
why NOP does it:
Posted on 7/30/18 at 9:42 am to cgrand
I would love to get Middleton, but i just can't see Milwaukee being stupid enough to let him go. If they want to build a team around Giannis, then they need to keep Middleton. They are not going to ever atract a big time FA, so they are going to have to pay him, or else risk not being close to a contender and losing Giannis soon.
Barnes and Porter are the high dollar guys that could become available, and are somewhat realistic.
Would you rather trade for one of them, and then we have no more money to do anything, or have any assets to get anyone else most likely, or do something like trading Solo for Fournier, and Ajinca and other expirings for Kemba?
Given what we've been hearing, i think the team would rather the Barnes/Porter than Kemba/Fournier type trade. They seem to be putting a premium on getting guys that can play defense, especially being able to switch, and Barnes and Porter without a doubt fit that bill.
I think they are hoping Payton can show them something and be able to give them quality minutes that can push the pace of offense, and when in crunch time, have Jrue/Moore/SFtrade/Niko/AD to close games out. You saw it in the playoffs in crunch time, Jrue had the ball in his hands, and if he can continue that play, then we don't need a full time PG on this team, just a guy that give quality minutes.
we'll have to see how the start of the season plays out, but trying to positive about everything, if Payton can be productive, and Solo can look like an NBA player and not like a scrub, then moving Solo will be just a tiny bit easier, and we can have a nice core to move forward with that i think can be a contender in about 2-3 years once the Warriors break up and CP3 is too old to make a difference on the Rockets.
Barnes and Porter are the high dollar guys that could become available, and are somewhat realistic.
Would you rather trade for one of them, and then we have no more money to do anything, or have any assets to get anyone else most likely, or do something like trading Solo for Fournier, and Ajinca and other expirings for Kemba?
Given what we've been hearing, i think the team would rather the Barnes/Porter than Kemba/Fournier type trade. They seem to be putting a premium on getting guys that can play defense, especially being able to switch, and Barnes and Porter without a doubt fit that bill.
I think they are hoping Payton can show them something and be able to give them quality minutes that can push the pace of offense, and when in crunch time, have Jrue/Moore/SFtrade/Niko/AD to close games out. You saw it in the playoffs in crunch time, Jrue had the ball in his hands, and if he can continue that play, then we don't need a full time PG on this team, just a guy that give quality minutes.
we'll have to see how the start of the season plays out, but trying to positive about everything, if Payton can be productive, and Solo can look like an NBA player and not like a scrub, then moving Solo will be just a tiny bit easier, and we can have a nice core to move forward with that i think can be a contender in about 2-3 years once the Warriors break up and CP3 is too old to make a difference on the Rockets.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 9:44 am to cgrand
I'd love to get Aminu back, as i have brought this up before, but he is not worth a 1st round pick. You do the trade to help them out with the tax, and that is the compensation they get, not the 1st.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 9:50 am to cgrand
quote:
lets hear some solo trade ideas then.
DeAndre Jordan signed a 1 year contract with the Mavs. If it's clear they aren't a playoff team then it's time for a rebuild which probably means selling Barnes for pics. Unless Solo plays well enough to be seen as a useful player, something that is also possible, then it's probably Mavs or bust for this year. I also think Barnes is the Pels most reasonable get, either via trade or signing if he opts out this summer.
This post was edited on 7/30/18 at 9:52 am
Posted on 7/30/18 at 10:00 am to TigerinATL
Mavs pick (to ATL) is top-5 protected. IMO it might be a problem with letting go Barnes at the deadline.
There are 5-7 terrible teams in the Nba. Probably they wont like to be so bad. Also they have nothing at 3. Unless they will play small with Matthews there.
There are 5-7 terrible teams in the Nba. Probably they wont like to be so bad. Also they have nothing at 3. Unless they will play small with Matthews there.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 10:06 am to pawel
quote:
There are 5-7 terrible teams in the Nba. Probably they wont like to be so bad. Also they have nothing at 3. Unless they will play small with Matthews there.
I forgot about their pick protection, that could lock them in to not tanking like you said. But Barnes also has a player option so the Pels can dump Solo/Moore and sign Barnes if he opts out. cgrand may be right in that it might not happen this season, but if they are going to add another $20+ million player to this roster it needs to happen by next summer.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 10:18 am to TigerinATL
I believe you're right about the Mavs and Barnes as our only shot at a big trade involving Solo.
I think washington is going to feel like with the amount of money teams have next offseason, they are going to find a way to dump Mihinmi to someone to get them some relief. You get rid of that contract and the expiring of Rivers and that makes up for Wall's big increase and some. That way they can keep their core together, if they want, and that's a big if.
I'd say if they are doing ok and a top 4 team in the east, they aren't going to want to break it up.
What i would like to do, if we can't get the big name SF in a trade, is a make a smaller move like getting Oubre and Satoransky. Could give them Okafor and Liggins and a 1st for the half year rental of them, and be able to resign them next year. I don't think Washington can afford to resign either of them, so they might as well get somethign for them, and it gives them some savings this year, $2.5M in salary and whatever else that equates to with tax savings since they are a tax team.
I think washington is going to feel like with the amount of money teams have next offseason, they are going to find a way to dump Mihinmi to someone to get them some relief. You get rid of that contract and the expiring of Rivers and that makes up for Wall's big increase and some. That way they can keep their core together, if they want, and that's a big if.
I'd say if they are doing ok and a top 4 team in the east, they aren't going to want to break it up.
What i would like to do, if we can't get the big name SF in a trade, is a make a smaller move like getting Oubre and Satoransky. Could give them Okafor and Liggins and a 1st for the half year rental of them, and be able to resign them next year. I don't think Washington can afford to resign either of them, so they might as well get somethign for them, and it gives them some savings this year, $2.5M in salary and whatever else that equates to with tax savings since they are a tax team.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 11:12 am to TeddyPadillac
Predicting now is impossible. 3-5 teams will be worse than they and others think. What if Milwaukee is a fringe playoff team and ask themselves... "Are we willing to pay Middleton 25-30 mil just to be an 8 seed?" What if Oubre looks like a stud and Troy Brown looks like a future starter.. Wouldn't it be best to move on from Otto Porter as soon as possible to give them minutes and also save a bunch of money?
What if Portland is 6 games back of the 8 seed in February and Lillard/CJ start bickering over whose fault it is/who should be the #1 guy? What if the Clippers have too many mouths to feed and still aren't good.. do Lou Williams and/or Tobias harris go on the block?
All Dell can do is put himself in position to pounce. I think Moore is a plus asset, at worst he's a neutral. Hill will be a negative asset, even if he comes back and plays solid. If I were Dell, I'd be trying to turn Ajinca, Liggins, etc into bigger expiring contracts. I would be signing guys to the veterans min, and I would be planning to eventually move Moore and those expirings for the guy who comes available. Example - go trade Ajinca and Liggins for Shumpert right now. Go take Jodie Meeks into your Q-Pon exception.
At the deadline, you would be able to move Moore, Shump's expiring, a vet or two you signed for the min, Moore and take more than 32 mil back.
Right now, you wouldn't even be able to take 20 mil back with just Moore and Ajinca. You can't trade Clark without him agreeing. Dell's goal right now should be to add big(ger) expirings so that he can make whatever deal comes available
What if Portland is 6 games back of the 8 seed in February and Lillard/CJ start bickering over whose fault it is/who should be the #1 guy? What if the Clippers have too many mouths to feed and still aren't good.. do Lou Williams and/or Tobias harris go on the block?
All Dell can do is put himself in position to pounce. I think Moore is a plus asset, at worst he's a neutral. Hill will be a negative asset, even if he comes back and plays solid. If I were Dell, I'd be trying to turn Ajinca, Liggins, etc into bigger expiring contracts. I would be signing guys to the veterans min, and I would be planning to eventually move Moore and those expirings for the guy who comes available. Example - go trade Ajinca and Liggins for Shumpert right now. Go take Jodie Meeks into your Q-Pon exception.
At the deadline, you would be able to move Moore, Shump's expiring, a vet or two you signed for the min, Moore and take more than 32 mil back.
Right now, you wouldn't even be able to take 20 mil back with just Moore and Ajinca. You can't trade Clark without him agreeing. Dell's goal right now should be to add big(ger) expirings so that he can make whatever deal comes available
Posted on 7/30/18 at 11:56 am to Crewz
So we have answer for the main question. Pels can get two solid wings now in Shumpert and Meeks. And can get 1-2 second rounders for their troubles.
And can trade them later with two second rounders for a solid player.
Or can trade them with their own first for a real player.
And then trade up in the draft with their 2-3 second rounders.
So many options...
And can trade them later with two second rounders for a solid player.
Or can trade them with their own first for a real player.
And then trade up in the draft with their 2-3 second rounders.
So many options...
Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:04 pm to Crewz
quote:
go trade Ajinca and Liggins for Shumpert right now. Go take Jodie Meeks into your Q-Pon exception.
100% agree.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 4:28 pm to TeddyPadillac
I know it is a pipe dream...but I am really hoping Clippers suck and they are looking to trade Lou Williams and Tobias Harris at the deadline. Lou is on a great contract and Harris is expiring. Harris starts for us in playoffs at SF and you have lou as your 6 man guard would be awesome.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 6:29 pm to Crewz
I also like that deal you proposed for Wes Johnson and Pat Bev
Posted on 7/30/18 at 7:24 pm to Crewz
I can’t remember a time when we were set at the wings.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 7:27 pm to VOR
Cp3s last season
Posted on 8/4/18 at 9:01 am to LosLobos111
Remind me. Tks
Posted on 8/6/18 at 5:47 pm to PelicanFever
Here’s a quick, simple solution. Lets just sign Paul George. Easy peezy, amirite
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