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Can Hawkins be what we wanted NAW to be?
Posted on 10/11/23 at 5:24 am
Posted on 10/11/23 at 5:24 am
I feel like IF Hawkins works out, he’ll be the scorer we thought NAW could be but never turned into. He’s obviously got a good 3 pt shot, but he also just seems to be a good all around scorer. He’s been up and down so far, mostly down during Summer League. What do y’all think?
Posted on 10/11/23 at 6:53 am to PTinBR
NAW signed a 2/$9m contract. Minny believes in him.
You’d better hope Hawkins is good enough to get that kind of contract
You’d better hope Hawkins is good enough to get that kind of contract
Posted on 10/11/23 at 7:12 am to PTinBR
I'd expect him to be mostly what you saw on the first half last night in his rookie year. Camp in a spot as a spacer and take the open pass when he receives the pass. He's not ready to do more than that right now.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 7:23 am to TeddyPadillac
NAW is playing a lot better. I think his time in utah was really good for him.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 8:44 am to TeddyPadillac
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NAW signed a 2/$9m contract. Minny believes in him.
That's end of the rotation money.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:04 am to TeddyPadillac
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NAW signed a 2/$9m contract. Minny believes in him.
You’d better hope Hawkins is good enough to get that kind of contract
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:12 am to SlowFlowPro
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That's end of the rotation money.
He started in the playoffs against Denver.
He started both preseason games.
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Nickeil Alexander-Walker was an add-on in the three-team trade that brought Mike Conley to Minnesota and sent D’Angelo Russell to Los Angeles. In the span of 23 regular season appearances and five playoff games including four starts, NAW went from trade afterthought to an important cog in Minnesota’s playoff push. Alexander-Walker inserted himself into the lineup immediately as a much-needed 3-and-D guard with the versatility to matchup 1 through 3 effectively. He shot 36 percent from three in a Wolves jersey down the stretch. In the first round of the playoffs, he shot 40 percent while helping McDaniels, Edwards, and Minnesota’s 10th-ranked defense shut down opponents. Most notably, he locked down his cousin, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, allowing the Wolves to make the playoffs in consecutive seasons for the first time in 19 years.
Regardless of what he makes, he's not an end of the rotation guy for them.
I think more importantly here, as we get off the topic, is that it took NAW a good bit of time to find his groove in the NBA, and we are going to have to be patient with Hawkins.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:15 am to PTinBR
I think the simple answer is that as long as BI, Zion, CJ stay healthy all of our guys have a chance to be solid rotation guys.
Kira, NAW, etcc all played with poo poo and trained with poo poo and didn’t have all stars to give them open shots/ spacing.
Obviously they also didn’t play amazing either. But there’s a fine line with that development. There’s a sweet spot of “your team is so bad that rookies can play 30min 82 games” And there’s “your best players all stay healthy and help the young guys develop/ learn how to grind and win”.
See Dyson for example, he was caught on both bad ends. Forced to play PG, etc with injuries when he probably wasn’t ready yet and then also didn’t get as much playing time as he could have gotten compared to other picks. So he got less minutes and those minutes weren’t exactly the most effective for his development.
Trey, Herb, and Jose really broke that mold with their hustle and specialized skill sets. We were very fortunate to get that jump start from those guys to keep our development consistent.
Kira, NAW, etcc all played with poo poo and trained with poo poo and didn’t have all stars to give them open shots/ spacing.
Obviously they also didn’t play amazing either. But there’s a fine line with that development. There’s a sweet spot of “your team is so bad that rookies can play 30min 82 games” And there’s “your best players all stay healthy and help the young guys develop/ learn how to grind and win”.
See Dyson for example, he was caught on both bad ends. Forced to play PG, etc with injuries when he probably wasn’t ready yet and then also didn’t get as much playing time as he could have gotten compared to other picks. So he got less minutes and those minutes weren’t exactly the most effective for his development.
Trey, Herb, and Jose really broke that mold with their hustle and specialized skill sets. We were very fortunate to get that jump start from those guys to keep our development consistent.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:49 am to TeddyPadillac
He is not a starter. He played 15 min a game in 23 games last year. $4.5 million a year is not showing belief. It is showing that they think he may be a decent 9-12 player.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 10:12 am to NOSHAU
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He is not a starter. He played 15 min a game in 23 games last year. $4.5 million a year is not showing belief. It is showing that they think he may be a decent 9-12 player.
Did i say he started in the 23 games last year?
He started in the playoffs, and he started the first two preseason games. That's what i stated.
Don't hate on NAW. Guy has worked hard to be an NBA player and he's having some success right now.
If you can draft a guy and he make it to the second contract that's more than the minimum, then assuming it wasn't a top 4 or 5 pick, you drafted successfully. Granted there are different levels of success, that being the lowest, but it's a hell of a lot better than drafting a complete bust.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 10:18 am to NOSHAU
Well you might want to tell that to Minny bc they are starting him and using him as a key defensive stopper in the playoffs.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 11:41 am to 3PieceSpicy
Pels have enough guards/wings who can’t shoot, we don’t need more.
Good for NAW for developing into a decent player. He was a bust with us and couldn’t play much defense, but he’s developed into a Herb Jones light (very light), but he’s still bad at offense and fairly easy to replace.
Hawkins already looks better than he did during summer league. He can has a chance to be sniper/instant offense player, but not this year. Just like NAW he needs a year or 2 to develop
Good for NAW for developing into a decent player. He was a bust with us and couldn’t play much defense, but he’s developed into a Herb Jones light (very light), but he’s still bad at offense and fairly easy to replace.
Hawkins already looks better than he did during summer league. He can has a chance to be sniper/instant offense player, but not this year. Just like NAW he needs a year or 2 to develop
Posted on 10/11/23 at 12:16 pm to saintslsupels
Hawkins was 4/14 and 1/6 from 3 last night. He was also was bad on defense and had multiple bad fouls. He was exactly the same in summer league.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 12:21 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Hawkins was 4/14 and 1/6 from 3 last night. He was also was bad on defense and had multiple bad fouls. He was exactly the same in summer league.
He was garbage last night lol. We should’ve traded that pick
Posted on 10/11/23 at 12:23 pm to Balsamic_duck
Or drafted whitmore- which some of us on this board wanted.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 12:28 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Or drafted whitmore- which some of us on this board wanted
That too. Hawkins is a bum.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 12:36 pm to Balsamic_duck
What worries me about him he has one elite skill which is shooting- which hasn’t shown up yet in a game. He isn’t overly athletic, doesn’t handle or pass well, doesn’t get to the rim that great, defense is atrocious even for a rookie, and has been turnover prone. People mentioned JJ reddick- honestly thought Reddick was a much better shooter, defender and had a higher bball IQ coming out of college. He can make strides but its pretty worrisome that he continues to struggle.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 12:39 pm to TeddyPadillac
NAW is and will be a better player than Hawkins will be. You can easily see how NAW even as a rookie was more athletic, better scorer, better defender and passer. Hawkins honestly seems like a lazy Pels pick because they were preoccupied with trying to get Scoot.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 1:11 pm to Pels_Yaz
Not sure what you were watching, but NAW was arguably the worst player in the nba his first 2 years. I guess when you’re that bad there’s lots of room for improvement.
Good news is we’ve drafted well overall the last few years, and it’s almost impossible to hit on literally every single draft pick in the nba. Zion, Trey, Herb, Jose, Naji, Dyson, not many teams have 6 players they drafted under 25 years old who are good. On top of that we have Hawkins and Liddell who could also work out. Yes it would have been great if everyone we drafted worked out, but that’s not realistic. If you think we’ve drafted poorly then you’re either not paying attention or you enjoy being negative.
Good news is we’ve drafted well overall the last few years, and it’s almost impossible to hit on literally every single draft pick in the nba. Zion, Trey, Herb, Jose, Naji, Dyson, not many teams have 6 players they drafted under 25 years old who are good. On top of that we have Hawkins and Liddell who could also work out. Yes it would have been great if everyone we drafted worked out, but that’s not realistic. If you think we’ve drafted poorly then you’re either not paying attention or you enjoy being negative.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 2:08 pm to saintslsupels
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Not sure what you were watching, but NAW was arguably the worst player in the nba his first 2 years. I guess when you’re that bad there’s lots of room for improvement.
I don't think anyone would say that he was productive on the court for us for the most part.
But it was very obvious that he had the potential to be a very good serviceable player once he got it all together, which he has done. That was clear to see in the summer league, and several times during the season. The potential was always there for him. His size, athleticism, even mentally you could tell he had it, he just needed the game to slow down for him and that took a good 3 years to happen for him.
Hawkins has one skill. shooting. and he's looked abysmal at it thus far. I mean he even bricked an open 3 after the whistle blew off the bottom of the backboard last night. I dont' think anyone sees defensive potential, dribbling, passing, or scoring in any way other than being a shooter for him thus far.
I'm not writing him off, as he without a doubt has time to grow into a good player, but he hasn't looked good at all to start his career than hasn't even really started yet.
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Zion, Trey, Herb, Jose, Naji, Dyson, not many teams have 6 players they drafted under 25 years old who are good
No one gets credit for drafting Zion. That wasnt' a choice.
Herb working out is luck. It's so hard to know who's going to work out in the 2nd round and undrafted pool.
Jose and Naji weren't drafted. All 3 of those guys are guys that can be found in the 2nd round/undrafted every year. I guess you have to give them credit for finding those hidden gems, b/c it isn't just 1 guy. I think BDJ was going to be a good find as well.
They've had 6 lottery picks in the last 5 years.
Jaxson was ok, but when you draft someone 8th and they just go through their rookie contract and you get nothing for them, then that's a bust.
NAW did nothing for us, and had no trade value.
Kira has done nothing for us, and has no trade value, and might even cost us assets so we can get out of the tax.
Trey is awesome.
Dyson at worst will be one of the best defenders in the league.
Hawkins TBD but not looking too hot.
so 3 of those 6 were worthless. 1 of them is going to cost us a lot of money, and i say that in a great way. 1 of them is trending in the right direction. 1 is TBD.
2 out of 6 not being worthless is actually about what you would expect drafting in the late lottery.
I think the issue most have is how we all felt when we made the pick.
-the trading down from 4 to Jaxson/NAW wasn't a good move, and most people weren't thrilled about it.
-Plenty of people were wanting other guys instead of Kira. Don't think anyone was clamoring for him before the draft, and the fact that so many guys have had flourishing careers that were picked right before and after him is frustrating.
-I think most people were indifferent about drafting Trey, didn't know much about him, but seemed like a decent pick at the time.
-I think most people liked the Dyson pick. I think most of us wanted 1 of the 3 guys picked right before him, but since they were off the table Dyson was a good pick.
-Not sure many of us liked the Hawkins pick. He's looking like a James Bouknight kind of pick.
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