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Posted on 5/28/15 at 3:12 pm to cgrand
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Dan Bernstein ?@dan_bernstein #Bulls sources: at least three starters ripped Thibs in exit interview, said they'd avoid team facility this summer if he were still there.
That's not good but we don't know how much of that is just smearing him on the way out which is a possibility with how bad things are between them.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 3:18 pm to saintsfan22
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That's not good but we don't know how much of that is just smearing him on the way out which is a possibility with how bad things are between them.
perhaps but you didn't hear anyone smearing monty on the way out and he didn't win shite. if you believe what you hear things between monty & dell were not very rosy.
point is that after all that winning, nobody wanted thibodeau back. the reasons for that kind of animosity are rarely one-sided. thibodeau presnts a personality risk that the other candidates do not
Posted on 5/28/15 at 3:22 pm to GynoSandberg
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Bulls FO soured on Thibs late in 2014 when he played the starters 40+ minutes in a meaningless game.
The Bulls were tied with the Raptors for 3rd with 3 games left. They lost 2 of their last 3, Raptors won 2 of their last 3 and got the 3rd place finish.
Had the Bulls won their last game of the season, which went to overtime, they would have gotten the third place finish. How were those games meaningless? and Noah and Butler were the only guys on the team worth a shite, so of course they played 40 minutes some nights, and neither of them probably complained about it in the least bit.
Look at their roster at the end of the season, if Noah and Butler didn't play close to 40 minutes, they had little chance of winning.
I"m just tired of this "he's going to run AD into the ground" talk. It's just dumb.
In the last 7 years, one player has averaged 40+minutes and he did it twice, 5 years ago, Monta Ellis with GSW. There's only a handful over 38 minutes in that time period.
15 years ago, 18 players averaged 40+, 17 more averaged 38+, here's a few of them:
Michael Finley
Iverson
Jamison
Gary Payton
Kobe
Jalen Rose
Webber
McGrady
Francis
Kidd
Carter
Garnett
Shaq
Mashburn
Reggie Miller
Brand
Sprewell
Baron Davis
Bibby
Stojakavic
Duncan
Rasheed
Ray Allen
Marbury
Dirk
Everyone on the list was an allstar at some point. Hell half of them are hall of famers. they didn't seem to get run into the ground, for the most part.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 3:32 pm to TeddyPadillac
the "he plays guys too many mintutes" argument is stupid
however, the issue of long, frequent, arduous practices is a real concern, as evidenced by the alleged player revolt that was looming
players want to play, but they do not want to practice
however, the issue of long, frequent, arduous practices is a real concern, as evidenced by the alleged player revolt that was looming
players want to play, but they do not want to practice
Posted on 5/28/15 at 3:36 pm to cgrand
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perhaps but you didn't hear anyone smearing monty on the way out and he didn't win shite. if you believe what you hear things between monty & dell were not very rosy.
Yeah but while things might not have been rosy they weren't contentious like Thibs and Chicago's front office.
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point is that after all that winning, nobody wanted thibodeau back. the reasons for that kind of animosity are rarely one-sided. thibodeau presnts a personality risk that the other candidates do not
Agree. Thibs is probably a too intense Harbaugh like dick and their front office is probably dicks.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 3:37 pm to cgrand
i seriously doubt any team in the NBA has arduous practices during the season, and if they do, it's probably deserving b/c of the way they may have just played a game.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 4:02 pm to TeddyPadillac
I'll trust what people close to the organization say and not someone's speculation
Posted on 5/28/15 at 4:11 pm to saintsfan22
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we don't know how much of that is just smearing him on the way out which is a possibility with how bad things are between them.
True, but when is the last time you heard players bash their coach on his way out? Curry and Co couldn't stop praising mark jackson after he got fired. Boogie basically quit this season after they fired Malone.
I'm sure it has happened, but I can't remember a team of players trashing a coach after being fired. Especially when the coach gets fired in spite of a very good record.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 4:16 pm to JohnnyKilroy
On the one hand I wouldn't be disappointed with Thibs as the coach and view him as an upgrade to Monty. But on the other hand, it's obvious JVG is available, so I don't see why you choose Thibs over JVG.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 4:26 pm to Macintosh504
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I'll trust what people close to the organization say and not someone's speculation
like who? the guys that hate him and fired him b/c they butted heads?
everything you've heard about him is someone's speculation.
Derrick Rose complaining and saying he's going to sit this game out b/c he knows he if plays Thibs will play him 37 minutes and he wants to play 24 is called being a pussy and playing scared to get hurt again. management sided with Rose and put him on a minutes restriction, which Thibodeau abided by.
Noah was on a minutes restriction this year as well, and he did not like it.
maybe if they had a bench worth a shite, the stars on the team wouldn't need to play so much.
Chicago's bench played the 2nd least amount of minutes this year, and have been in the bottom 5 the last 4 years, and have been a middle of the road to below average when it comes to pt differential when the bench is playing.
The clippers were below them the last two years in bench minutes. I guess Doc runs his stars into the ground too, or maybe their bench sucks too. Portland has similar crappy bench stats. They were the healthiest team in the NBA last year, yet their bench played the least amount of minutes of every team.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 4:31 pm to TeddyPadillac
Dude is poison and doesn't have an offense
Posted on 5/28/15 at 4:41 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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True, but when is the last time you heard players bash their coach on his way out?
Which players bashed Thibs?
Posted on 5/28/15 at 4:48 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN
The front office rift with Thibodeau accelerated when coaching staff wanted to draft Draymond Green in 2012. They took Marquis Teague. Oops
Posted on 5/28/15 at 4:50 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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Which players bashed Thibs?
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Dan Bernstein ?@dan_bernstein #Bulls sources: at least three starters ripped Thibs in exit interview, said they'd avoid team facility this summer if he were still there.
at least 3 starters...so lets see:
1. Rose
2. Butler
3. Dunleavy
4. Gasol
5. Noah
I'd say Rose, Butler, and Dunleavy
Posted on 5/28/15 at 4:53 pm to htran90
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Dan Bernstein ?@dan_bernstein #Bulls sources: at least three starters ripped Thibs in exit interview, said they'd avoid team facility this summer if he were still there.
It's so hard to tell what's spin and what isn't.
I'd take Thibs over JVG only because we know Thibs can be successful in the modern day NBA. JVG is just a complete wild card and a big name at the moment.
This post was edited on 5/28/15 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 5/28/15 at 4:58 pm to mm2316
Thibs sounds like a more successful Mark Jackson
Posted on 5/28/15 at 5:01 pm to ShamelessPel
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It's so hard to tell what's spin and what isn't.
It is, yet people seem to believe anything negative anyone says about Thibs.
"at least 3 starters" is it 3 or 4 or 5? How does the source not know that. Did 3 say it and one more sort of said it?
I woudln't put it past Rose to say that, but i could care less what he has to say about basketball.
When Noah/Gibson/Dunleavy/Pau/Hinrich come out and say something about him, i'll listen.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 5:04 pm to htran90
Noah Butler Rose
Posted on 5/28/15 at 5:07 pm to Macintosh504
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Thibs sounds like a more successful Mark Jackson
Mark Jackson got fired in no small part because he didn't want to share credit with assistants. Thibs got fired in no small part because the team fired an assistant he valued greatly and is now helping the Warriors make a run at the title. Assistant Gate is ground zero with what's wrong with Jackson, Thibs is a lifer coach who isn't so egotistical that he doesn't want assistants that know what they're doing.
This post was edited on 5/28/15 at 5:09 pm
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