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Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:14 pm to LSUgrad88
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It’s a key indicator that he’s getting his arse kicked in this argument when he’s selectively editing someone’s sentence. Sad.
What sentence did I edit?
I already said Jose is best moved for an upgrade before he even made the comment "that's the only reason we should move him".
A reply said "no one said he's untouchable" in which I bolded that exact line because it was said...
And again my point was that there's no sentence that starts with "Jose is untouchable" regardless of any if/and/but that follows it.
No one is kicking my arse and I didn't edit any sentence retard.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:17 pm to Fun Bunch
Jose is a threat to our ping pong balls.
And at this point, honestly, let the dude go somewhere that he will be appreciated and get paid. He’s been selfless and the ultimate teammate here and we are shopping him probably cause he’s a threat to our ping pong balls. Makes zero sense from a team building standpoint.
I don’t ever want to hear the word “culture” from David Griffin ever again if he dumps this dude for peanuts though.
And at this point, honestly, let the dude go somewhere that he will be appreciated and get paid. He’s been selfless and the ultimate teammate here and we are shopping him probably cause he’s a threat to our ping pong balls. Makes zero sense from a team building standpoint.
I don’t ever want to hear the word “culture” from David Griffin ever again if he dumps this dude for peanuts though.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:31 pm to LSUgrad88
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The vast majority of the comments in here think it would be a bad idea to trade a consistently, solid rotational player for a couple seconds.
How someone is stupid enough to equate that opinion to saying Jose is a “difference maker for our franchise” is downright sad
I didn't equate that opinion from that statement. You actually completely missed the point of that apparently. Which wouldn't be surprising because most of y'all could never fathom looking at the big picture past your personal feelings.
I equated that Jose will not be the difference maker for this team whether we keep him or trade him. We aren't going to rebuild this whole team and get eliminated the first rd of playoffs only for fans to say "damn if we had Jose we would be going to the championship right". Absolutely insane.
If having Jose vs not having Jose doesn't matter to our championship chances then you are essentially just passing up on (2) 2nds.
And you are passing up (2) 2nds for an undrafted player.
An undrafted player that will only ever be a bench player.
An undrafted player for (2) 2nds that apparently have no chance of becoming better players than him if we do use them for draft.
2nds that have apparently no chance of becoming better players than the UNDRAFTED PLAYER.
So according to y'all we will get negative value for trading a player with limited value that wasn't even drafted, for 2 2nds (that would technically already be projected to be better players).
An undrafted player that has not been a difference maker on a losing team is more valuable than 2 picks valued higher than he ever was?
Yeah y'all are fricking stupid.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:32 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Jose isn't worth a first, and he shouldn't be traded for anything less than a star deal (with other pieces of course)
He's the perfect player for a small franchise like new orleans. He's good, not great, loves the city, and due to certain limitations can be kept cheap and be useful in a rebuild or a team trying to compete.
Getting rid of him for fake 2nds or a low first round pick is fricking retarded.
I think that was the point of my entire post. I'm not moving him just to move him. But if you value him at a dollar, and someone wants to give you a $1.50 for him? Then I move him 100/100 times. I can find someone else that can do the things you mentioned.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:34 pm to Dantheman504
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We aren't going to rebuild this whole team and get eliminated the first rd of playoffs only for fans to say "damn if we had Jose we would be going to the championship right". Absolutely insane.
No one is saying anything like that. Quit making shite up, quit editing people’s posts and quit lying. It’s pathetic.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:42 pm to LSUgrad88
It wouldn’t be the first time I became a fan of the Bucks in the postseason after our team bottomed out and traded its heart.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:43 pm to LSUgrad88
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No one is saying anything like that. Quit making shite up, quit editing people’s posts and quit lying. It’s pathetic.
That's exactly what people are saying otherwise they wouldn't have an issue trading the undrafted player for (2) 2nds.
Because that value is (2) 2nds.
1. I haven't made anything up
2. I can't edit posts (not an admin) so the only thing I can do is copy and paste. (Which makes this comment hilarious)
3. I don't think I've told a single lie?
The only "lie" would be that someone said Jose is untouchable and then I bolded it to show he did and it wasn't a lie. And somehow I got attacked for confirming it was said? And then got attacked for the very understandable reasoning behind why I said it?
Some of yall are literally a bunch of goal post moving shite posters with 0 control of your thoughts > emotions
Also not a lie.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:48 pm to Dantheman504
That "very reasonable" part of the last post is important. Because I haven't trashed Jose, haven't said he's a negative asset, haven't even said I don't want him here.
Saying that we should 100% take (2) guaranteed 2nd rd picks for a guy that by himself had less value and by himself is not a difference maker is extremely reasonable.
If you can't process that and still think its unreasonable then I am NOT the unreasonable one buddy.
And before someone makes the argument "You said Jose isn't a difference maker"
Clarity: That's not trashing a player and if you think so then you are a pussy.
Saying that we should 100% take (2) guaranteed 2nd rd picks for a guy that by himself had less value and by himself is not a difference maker is extremely reasonable.
If you can't process that and still think its unreasonable then I am NOT the unreasonable one buddy.
And before someone makes the argument "You said Jose isn't a difference maker"
Clarity: That's not trashing a player and if you think so then you are a pussy.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:57 pm to whatiknowsofar
Read as Eric Cartman!
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:11 pm to LSUgrad88
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We aren't going to rebuild this whole team and get eliminated the first rd of playoffs only for fans to say "damn if we had Jose we would be going to the championship right". Absolutely insane.
No one is saying anything like that. Quit making shite up.
Yeah no shite sherlock that was the point of the sentence, no one will ever say that. That's why I ended with "absolutely insane" and then followed it up with the point of:
quote:
If having Jose vs not having Jose doesn't matter to our championship chances then you are essentially just passing up on (2) 2nds.
You are one dense MF
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:24 pm to Dantheman504
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Dantheman504
Your whole argument is predicated on draft position. What does Jose being an UFA in 2021 have to do with his player value now? If anything, being an UFA has been a POSITIVE for his value because he’s dirt cheap salary wise.
“In June 2024, the Chicago Bulls turned down multiple offers for Caruso, including a top-10 pick in the 2024 NBA Draft.”
Ahh dang. There goes that theory of yours.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:37 pm to ShamelessPel
It's as simple as this:
What's more likely:
We trade Jose for two 2nds who never play ever or
We find a player as good or better
I think it's much more likely we never find someone close to his value to the team with two 2nd round picks.
You keep throwing out is points and assists like it's a checkmate or something. It's fricking dumb. Alex Caruso averages less points and assists than Jose. Trade him for some seconds! He's irrelevant to winning!
What's more likely:
We trade Jose for two 2nds who never play ever or
We find a player as good or better
I think it's much more likely we never find someone close to his value to the team with two 2nd round picks.
You keep throwing out is points and assists like it's a checkmate or something. It's fricking dumb. Alex Caruso averages less points and assists than Jose. Trade him for some seconds! He's irrelevant to winning!
Posted on 1/30/25 at 4:03 pm to Dantheman504
quote:A smart organization would think about this, given his very low cost.
I don't give a frick about your feelings and neither should our FO making business decisions. I think that's what alot of our fans seem to miss.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 4:05 pm to Dantheman504
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And the point I'm making is that Jose isn't much of an asset...
Any idea why Miami kept Haslem around so long? There is value to culture players even when they are not superstar starters.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 4:21 pm to ShamelessPel
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Your whole argument is predicated on draft position. What does Jose being an UFA in 2021 have to do with his player value now? If anything, being an UFA has been a POSITIVE for his value because he’s dirt cheap salary wise.
Because people actually think his draft value now is more than (2) 2nds or that he has way more potential than 2 individual 2nd rd picks while he wasn't even drafted.
The way you asked that same question like it didn't make sense is the exact same way I can ask "what makes you think we can't replace an undrafted player with 2 2nd rd picks?
If we are all being completely honest the only answer is "because their name won't be Jose Alvarado".
It really has absolutely nothing to do with impact because Jose's impact can be replicated by 2nds/ vet players.
2 Javonte Green's do just as much for us or more than a single Jose from a statistical value standpoint.
If you strip away his actual name and personal feelings toward him then there's absolutely no reason why trading him for 2nds is a bad move or even hurts us on any level.
And my whole argument is based on a Jose Alvarado currently making 4.5mil. If he makes anything more than that then its not even a comparison for value purposes compared to what we get for the money.
He's represented Nola well and has been fun to watch: That is a fact.
He is a solid role player: That is a fact.
He is a special player: That is a personal opinion and there's absolutely no fact to that.
He is more valuable than 2 2nd rd picks: not a fact
There is a possibility that either of (2) 2nd rd picks could be more successful than Jose: that is a fact.
There is absolutely no reason why you can think either 2nd rd pick won't have more value than a player that wasn't even drafted. It is legitimately illogical to think otherwise.
Will they be? Maybe, maybe not.
If they aren't does it really matter? No because Jose isn't making or breaking shite.
The funniest thing is that y'all are acting like Jose can't be replaced with 2nds because he had good value as an undrafted while WE LITERALLY HAVE HERB ON OUR TEAM AS A 2ND RD PICK.
Unless Jose is Jokic? Is Jose Jokic?
No he's a fricking mid roster rotational player.
I don't want to be an a-hole but man y'all are just so wrong on this one its wild.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 1/30/25 at 4:29 pm to Dantheman504
"We can't replace Jose as an undrafted player with 2nds"
"We can't replace Herb Jones as a 2nd rd player with a 1st"
"We don't know our head from our arse"
"We can't replace Herb Jones as a 2nd rd player with a 1st"
"We don't know our head from our arse"
Posted on 1/30/25 at 4:30 pm to Dantheman504
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There is a possibility that either of (2) 2nd rd picks could be more successful than Jose: that is a fact.
Another fact. The Pels are more likely than not never even going to use the proposed two second round picks you would get for him.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 5:11 pm to SEC Doctor
I think the focus on Jose’s role/effectiveness in the playoffs is misguided. We aren’t the Celtics, we don’t have 55 regular season wins in the bag so we can optimize for the playoffs.
We need to win regular season games, and Jose has done his part there pretty consistently since he came into the league.
We need to win regular season games, and Jose has done his part there pretty consistently since he came into the league.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 5:18 pm to Dantheman504
quote:I just don't see why.
I mean if we can get (2) 2nds for Jose
The odds either of those 2nds turn into a rotation player aren't terribly good. I'd rather keep the rotation player we have.
I think his value to us just makes it to where it doesn't make sense to trade him unless he's the final piece of a bigger deal.
No one would give a 1st for him, and I just fail to see how it's best for us to trade him for 2nds.
quote:CJ will have considerably more value than that when we're ready to move him.
and (2) for CJ that would be huge.
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