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Brandon Ingram shot selection through the years
Posted on 2/14/23 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 2/14/23 at 4:39 pm
This is from Shamit on Twitter, something that hasn't gone unnoticed but still interesting nonetheless.
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Brandon Ingram catch and shoot 3pa per game over his Pelican career.
22-23: 2.7
21-22: 3.2
20-21: 3.8
19-20: 4.9
This is a the difference between a staff that emphasizes creating easy and efficient looks for a good player vs one that doesn't.
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BI's attempts at the rim have also gone down each of the past 4 years.
22-23: 13.7% of his shots
21-22: 14%
20-21: 14.4%
19-20: 24.8 %
Can't keep taking him away from the best shots in the game.
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Posted on 2/14/23 at 4:49 pm to CP3forMVP
Willie Green and staff can’t draw up easy plays and schemes for his stars. Even without looking at the numbers you can see it. We also seem to always fail to exploit mismatches. Or atleast not do it enough. It’s frustrating.
Willie needs to do better
Willie needs to do better
Posted on 2/14/23 at 4:49 pm to CP3forMVP
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This is a the difference between a staff that emphasizes creating easy and efficient looks for a good player vs one that doesn't.
are they saying we are the one that doesn't emphasize easy efficient looks?
He's been shooting nearly 40% from 3 every year here except for last years clunker. He's one of the best mid range shooters in the NBA.
Just b/c the shot from 0-3ft is the most efficient b/c you shoot it at 67% doesn't mean that's the only shot you take. You can't force up shots that aren't there, b/c when you do is when the efficiency goes down.
Is it better to take 4 shots at the rim a game and hit them at 65%, or 3 shots at the rim and hit them at 75% b/c you aren't forcing it?
Look at BI's FG% from 0-3ft the last 4 years.
2020 65%
2021 68%
2022 68%
2023 76%
from 10-16ft
2020 42%
2021 45%
2022 50%
2023 49%
This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 2/14/23 at 4:54 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Is it better to take 4 shots at the rim a game and hit them at 65%, or 3 shots at the rim and hit them at 75% b/c you aren't forcing it?
It’s better to take 4 shots at 65%. It is more points than 3 shots at 75%.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 5:00 pm to TeddyPadillac
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This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 2/14/23 at 5:25 pm to CP3forMVP
Hard to "create looks" when Herb, Trey, and CJ are standing still at the 3 point line
Seems like we have zero off ball movement on offense.. while teams playing against us seem to be constantly rotating until someone is wide open
Seems like we have zero off ball movement on offense.. while teams playing against us seem to be constantly rotating until someone is wide open
Posted on 2/14/23 at 5:26 pm to NOFOX
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It’s better to take 4 shots at 65%. It is more points than 3 shots at 75%.
You're not factoring in the one shot he would be taking elsewhere. But even if you were, the 4 shots at the rim using his 2023 numbers for shots at the rim vs. midrange are better by half a point per four shots.
For someone like BI who shoots 17 shots a game, that adds up a good bit. Not to mention the foul rate of a shot at the rim vs. a jump shot from anywhere. Factor in free throws added from shots at the rim vs. jumpers and I can't imagine it's particularly close.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 5:28 pm to jmcwhrter
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Hard to "create looks" when Herb, Trey, and CJ are standing still at the 3 point line
Seems like we have zero off ball movement on offense.. while teams playing against us seem to be constantly rotating until someone is wide open
Pels have pretty decent off ball movement. They just have a total of one player who can actually bend a defense and he hasn't played in over a month.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 5:32 pm to CP3forMVP
4 catch and shoot threes a game sounds like the right amount for BI, coincidentally that was the 1 season he got to play most of the year with Zion.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 5:34 pm to saintslsupels
Yeah it’s been a concern. I could live with the 3s dipping a little with Zion being out most of the last 2 years but there’s no reason him rim attempts should be down. He’s hunting out the most difficult shots in basketball. Get to the rim more, spot up for more 3s when Zion is on the floor, when he’s off go to work in the midrange
Posted on 2/14/23 at 5:41 pm to Balsamic_duck
Is it scheming away from our stars getting those easier shots to allow guys like herb, trey, and jv those shots instead? Forcing BI to live in the mid range instead?
Because even then that's not great either
Because even then that's not great either
Posted on 2/14/23 at 6:04 pm to TotesMcGotes
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You're not factoring in the one shot he would be taking elsewhere. But even if you were, the 4 shots at the rim using his 2023 numbers for shots at the rim vs. midrange are better by half a point per four shots.
And you’re just assuming the 2020 vs 2023 discrepancy is entirely owed to shot selection and that if he averages 3 shots at the rim it’s 75% and if he averages 4 then it’s 65%, but there’s not a perfect correlation like that.
His shots at the rim and 3PA are more efficient than his midrange and so we should try to get him more shots at the rim and at the 3PA vs midrange.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 6:24 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Is it better to take 4 shots at the rim a game and hit them at 65%, or 3 shots at the rim and hit them at 75% b/c you aren't forcing it?
Let me guess, you aren't good at math but you think you are...
Posted on 2/14/23 at 6:26 pm to saintslsupels
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coincidentally that was the 1 season he got to play most of the year with Zion.
It was also Jrue's team then too, BI got way less attention from the defense.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 6:50 pm to armsdealer
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Let me guess, you aren't good at math but you think you are...
How about you think outside of just the exact words I said.
If he takes 4 shots and makes 65% of them, against maybe taking 3 shots at 75% and maybe that 4th drive that used to be a 65% shot for BI is now resulting in wide open 3 or easy dunk for someone else.
BI’s assists have gone up over that time as well.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:10 pm to saintslsupels
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4 catch and shoot threes a game sounds like the right amount for BI, coincidentally that was the 1 season he got to play most of the year with Zion.
Someone in the comments brought up Jayson Tatum. Tatum takes 9.3 threes a game and 22.4% of his shots come at the rim. He also gets to the line 8.7 times a game.
I think the push for threes and attacking the rim is quite interesting when you look at Tatum taking 65.9% of his shots from those areas on the court. Compared who BI who takes just 36.1% of his shots from three and at the rim. I can’t help but wonder what type of scorer BI would become if he changed his shot selection.
BI has also only taken 54 shots at the rim this year, which is an insane number even with the amount of time he missed.
This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:12 pm to CP3forMVP
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Someone in the comments brought up Jayson Tatum. Tatum takes 9.3 threes a game and 22.4% of his shots come at the rim. He also gets to the line 8.7 times a game. I think the push for threes and attacking the rim is quite interesting when you look at Tatum taking 65.9% of his shots from those areas on the court. Compared who BI who takes just 36.1% of his shots from three and at the rim. I can’t help but wonder what type of scorer BI would become if he changed his shot selection. BI has also only taken 54 shots at the rim this year, which is an insane number even with the amount of time he missed.
It’s wild. BI is taking the least efficient shots in basketball the most often and is still efficient. That’s impressive but why not make it easier on yourself. You know you can go to the harder midrange stuff when needed. Save some energy and take more 3s and rim shots
Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:13 pm to CP3forMVP
I dont know if it has anything to do with this but BI isn’t particularly explosive. He’s very slow and just naturally a long strider. Anytime a big switches on him he is still unable to get by him and get to the rim, Or at least it seems this way every time I watch him
This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:33 pm to CP3forMVP
BI isn’t Tatum
He’s not as quick and not nearly as big and strong. Tatum probably has 20-25 lbs on BI. And he doesn’t get the calls that Tatum and other superstars get at the rim with regularity.
I’m not saying I want BI taking less shots at the rim as well as threes so he can take more mid range shots, but when the playoffs start, those open 3’s and shots at the rim get considerably harder, and the guys that knock down the contested mid range shot have an advantage.
He’s not as quick and not nearly as big and strong. Tatum probably has 20-25 lbs on BI. And he doesn’t get the calls that Tatum and other superstars get at the rim with regularity.
I’m not saying I want BI taking less shots at the rim as well as threes so he can take more mid range shots, but when the playoffs start, those open 3’s and shots at the rim get considerably harder, and the guys that knock down the contested mid range shot have an advantage.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:40 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Look at BI's FG% from
0-3ft the last 4 years. 2020 65% 2021 68% 2022 68% 2023 76%
from 10-16ft 2020 42% 2021 45% 2022 50% 2023 49%
You got downvoted to hell but you are right. BI’s bread and butter is the midrange.
He isn’t taking as many catch and shoot 3’s because half the time or more he takes the ball up anyways. He also has played only 10 games with Zion who will DEFINITELY bump BI’s C&S numbers.
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