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re: Brandon Ingram Is the NBA’s Most Intriguing Rookie Extension Candidate (the ringer)
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:59 am to Jester
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:59 am to Jester
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The whole point is that we don't really have time to give it.
10/21 is the deadline to offer a rookie deal extension. if they do not, ingram becomes an RFA at season's end. there can be no negotiation with ingram after 10/21 (unless its wink-wink)
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Posted on 9/19/19 at 12:33 pm to cgrand
Im sure Griffin has a handle on the situation.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 12:38 pm to Sharp85
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Im sure Griffin has a handle on the situation.
the 10/21 deadline would not be news to him, correct.
he does not however have a crystal ball
Posted on 9/19/19 at 6:28 pm to cgrand
As long hes healthy hes very much a trade able player with a 4/100 type deal. Dont think a garbage team like Charlotte or the Knicks would trade for that contract?
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:29 pm to Sharp85
Can’t give him that now. Too many question marks with fit, development, and health. The Pels finally have a roster without an albatross contract limiting their ability to shape the team. No way they risk losing that after all of the careful moves to get here
Posted on 9/20/19 at 6:54 am to Baron
Some of the questions about fit will get answered before 10/21. I don't think we offer an extension before then, but if we do, it's because Griffin and Gentry have seen what they want to see.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 6:58 am to GOP_Tiger
quote:The only way it makes sense to give him a contract extension, is if he takes a haircut like LeVert, for some long term security. It makes zero sense to give him a near max contract, when you can get him on that same contract after the season with more information regarding fit/health.
Some of the questions about fit will get answered before 10/21. I don't think we offer an extension before then, but if we do, it's because Griffin and Gentry have seen what they want to see.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 7:33 am to Epic Cajun
If he took a big discount like LeVert did, I would actually be worried that his health issue isn’t as resolved as we’ve heard
Posted on 9/20/19 at 7:37 am to Jester
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give it some time
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The whole point is that we don't really have time to give it.
this was always the issue with a BI-centric trade
the Zion goodwill and other moves kind of pushed it into the background for a few months (and, admittedly lowered the impact if we do frick it up), but this article is spot on. we just acquired a guy as the centerpiece of the AD deal and we have to make an immediate decision on his extension
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:02 am to SlowFlowPro
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this was always the issue with a BI-centric trade
the Zion goodwill and other moves kind of pushed it into the background for a few months (and, admittedly lowered the impact if we do frick it up), but this article is spot on. we just acquired a guy as the centerpiece of the AD deal and we have to make an immediate decision on his extension
Maybe Griffin already had his mind made up on how to move forward with Ingram. At this point, his "bust" potential is very low. Any extension he gets isn't going to be a cap-buster compared to the true maxes getting thrown around all over the league, so he should retain value as long as he doesn't turn out to be made of glass.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 9:35 am to Jester
You are absolutely correct, but the point is moot. The Pels are going/have already offered an extension, but there is no way it will be big enough for Ingram to sign. There is advantages to both sides to waiting. Everyone knew that there was a very good chance that at least one of the LAL guys acquired in the AD trade wouldn’t be on the team long term. I think there is a good chance that odd man out could be Ingram.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 10:52 pm to Epic Cajun
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It makes zero sense to give him a near max contract, when you can get him on that same contract after the season with more information regarding fit/health.
here here!
None of this immediate stuff.
Fit has as much to do with others as himself but its so.
Then theres tradeability.
Let it play out.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 1:58 pm to Baron
it's interesting to look at the potential 2020 RFA's that would join ingram in looking for offer sheets. the UFA class is not good, and there will be far less money out there to spend
jaylen brown
kris dunn
buddy hield
jakob poetl
domantas sabonis
taurean prince
dario saric
denzel valentine
malik beasley
pascal siakam
dejounte murray
assuming a few of those get extensions (hield, siakam, murray, saric), there will be even fewer to choose from.
ATL, CHA, CLE, MEM, NYK, TOR all project to have max space
jaylen brown
kris dunn
buddy hield
jakob poetl
domantas sabonis
taurean prince
dario saric
denzel valentine
malik beasley
pascal siakam
dejounte murray
assuming a few of those get extensions (hield, siakam, murray, saric), there will be even fewer to choose from.
ATL, CHA, CLE, MEM, NYK, TOR all project to have max space
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:06 pm to cgrand
That's why I don't think letting the season play out is a good idea. He's going to get stupid money from some team that has nothing better to do with it, and we'll handcuff ourselves if we match, so we probably end up letting him walk.
Either the front office loves BI's fit with the team and makes a solid extension offer before 10/21, or else he ends up getting traded at the deadline.
Either the front office loves BI's fit with the team and makes a solid extension offer before 10/21, or else he ends up getting traded at the deadline.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:33 pm to GOP_Tiger
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makes a solid extension offer before 10/21
What kind of offer would you make that you would consider “solid”? I’m sure that they have offered 4/70ish, maybe even in the low 80s, but he’s not going to take that. Would you offer 4/90-100? Because that is probably what it is going to take to get Ingram to start listening and still might not be enough.
I also am not sure how the Pels can know that Ingram will fit with the team until they start playing actual games, at least enough to give him the kind of money he will take now. That kind of thing takes time and reps against other competition. It just seems highly unlikely any extension gets done before the season.
Also consider that an Ingram extension will be more than his hold next FA. If we extend him now we could be losing important cap space for next year. We could also get creative with the cap since we have his bird rights too. So, there are other advantages to waiting
This post was edited on 9/23/19 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:58 pm to Baron
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Also consider that an Ingram extension will be more than his hold next FA. If we extend him now we could be losing important cap space for next year. We could also get creative with the cap since we have his bird rights too. So, there are other advantages to waiting
excellent point
Posted on 9/23/19 at 5:49 pm to Baron
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Also consider that an Ingram extension will be more than his hold next FA.
What are we likely to look like relative to the cap next year. I was under the impression that we were unlikely to have much room.
We'll already be bringing Didi on board, and we have our own draft picks plus two more 2nds, so we'll be bringing in more talent even without a FA signing. I suppose we could trade the picks in the draft for someone, but I still think that any trade is more likely this season before the trade deadline. Am I wrong?
Posted on 9/23/19 at 5:56 pm to GOP_Tiger
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What are we likely to look like relative to the cap next year. I was under the impression that we were unlikely to have much room.
moore's 16.4MM will be gone or renounced.
favors (you would assume) would be re-signed for less than 26MM or let go.
there's plenty of ways to get room if they want it/need it. they probably don't want it though as it would be much easier to operate over the cap
Posted on 9/23/19 at 8:36 pm to cgrand
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it would be much easier to operate over the cap
That's what I thought I remembered. And if we are operating over the cap, Ingram's cap hold being smaller than a new salary after an extension doesn't mean very much.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 4:14 pm to GOP_Tiger
relevant
simmons = 5 year max
murray = 5 year max
gonna be a whole lot of crossed fingers this year that ingram breaks out
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That makes the next four weeks somewhat awkward for Brown and the Celtics, who have until October 21 to agree to a contract extension. According to a league source, “the chance is pretty slim” that Brown signs a long-term deal with the team in the coming month. Around the league, the expectation is that Brown and the Celtics won’t come to a deal.
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But Brown’s camp sees his value as closer to what Simmons and Murray got than what Levert got.
simmons = 5 year max
murray = 5 year max
gonna be a whole lot of crossed fingers this year that ingram breaks out
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