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re: Brandon Ingram Is the NBA’s Most Intriguing Rookie Extension Candidate (the ringer)
Posted on 9/17/19 at 12:14 pm to Jester
Posted on 9/17/19 at 12:14 pm to Jester
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I'd rather trade Lonzo than Ingram. Ingram just has more positional versatility. It has also been so long since we've had a promising 3 that I may be overvaluing him
I'd rather trade Lonzo as well but my reasoning is i think Ingram can turn into a player you give the ball to down the stretch of games and ask him to win it for you. He can get his shot off anytime he wants, and will likely only get better as an iso player. I know everyone wants to say we shouldn't be playing iso ball, but when there's 3 minutes left in a playoff game, you better have a guy that can score in isolation, or at least easily create his own shot or a good shot for someone else, and i think Ingram can get to a high level of doing that.
Sometimes forget he's been in the league for 3 years, but he just turned 22 two weeks ago. He still has plenty room for growth as a player.
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Posted on 9/17/19 at 12:20 pm to cgrand
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the point of the article (and my post) is that very soon (by Oct 21) the pels will have to decide whether to offer ingram an extension, and ingram will have to decide whether to sign it. that decision will be made...before the season starts
My post wasn't directed to you or the article. No problems with that. But looking through some of the post it was turning into a whole trade Lonzo, or trade both of them for this and that thread.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 12:26 pm to TeddyPadillac
There’s only 2 ways this will go. They’ll either trade him during the season if they don’t believe in his potential or they offer him a near max contract. Either way, we’ll find out before the trade deadline.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 12:39 pm to TeddyPadillac
The answer is to keep lonzo and trade Jrue for a shooter.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 12:49 pm to ScaryClown
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The answer is to keep lonzo and trade Jrue for a shooter.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 2:00 pm to TeddyPadillac
opinion... jrue in the starting lineup is the problem with the current roster makeup. If he is cool with coming off the bench then its fine but him starting next to lonzo is the problem.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 2:16 pm to ScaryClown
So how come Jrue is the problem starting with Lonzo, but Lonzo isn't the problem starting with Jrue?
Posted on 9/17/19 at 2:28 pm to TeddyPadillac
lol,why do you guys still engage with him? he's an obvious troll
Posted on 9/17/19 at 2:44 pm to ScaryClown
Holy shite that's stupid
Posted on 9/17/19 at 2:55 pm to CelticDog
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neither lonzo nor ingram can shoot like a modern guard.
1. Dump lonzo as soon as practical. Get expiring and a #1.
2. Dump ingram as soon as practical.
this is nonsense for various reasons. Jason Kidd, who Lonzo is most similar to, couldn't shoot worth a shite earlier in his career, too. There are a lot of players that developed a shot as their careers developed. I am not the biggest fan of the Ingram fit, but you still see what you have with him and perhaps it works out. Lonzo is an outstanding fit here. It will depend on health for him, but the fit is absolutely there. I have a strong feeling he will thrive in this system.
This post was edited on 9/17/19 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 9/17/19 at 3:05 pm to CelticDog
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Move lonzo for someone who can shoot.
Giannis can't shoot. Ben Simmons can't shoot. MIL and PHI should just trade those guys. He 6'7, can pass and rebound very well, and can clamp people up. We don't need him to be a "shooter". He shot 32.9% from three, which is higher than Devin Booker, Jrue Holiday, Trae Young and Luka Doncic. Lonzo shot over 40% from three in college. It's not like he isn't capable of knocking down a shot.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 3:33 pm to CelticDog
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neither lonzo nor ingram can shoot like a modern guard.
1. Dump lonzo as soon as practical. Get expiring and a #1.
2. Dump ingram as soon as practical.
Package them if you have to.
Is it next year you can draft out of high school?
Getting zion made some fans crazy.
Lonzo still cant shoot.
Move him.
Wait til next year.
Some idiots are extending Fultz.
He cant shoot either.
This post doesnt make a whole lot of sense
Posted on 9/17/19 at 3:47 pm to TeddyPadillac
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A lineup of Lonzo/Jrue/Ingram/Zion/Favors has zero 3P threats. That's a problem.
That's the crux of the point illustrated in the article, and I agree that it's a problem. But Lonzo, Ingram, and Zion all still have the potential to develop into good or even great 3-point shooters. Lots of guys come into the league having made it so far simply by being better athletes than the competition, and then they later develop into good 3-point shooters.
I really think that it's too early to conclude that our best guys can't, ultimately, develop into players who can effectively play on the floor together.
On the other hand, J.J. Redick is 35. This team still badly needs to acquire another pure shooter for the future. That's why I think, in spite of everything that I just wrote above, that Ingram gets packaged with Miller and Moore before the trade deadline for someone who's truly deadly from beyond the arc.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 4:17 pm to GOP_Tiger
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That's why I think, in spite of everything that I just wrote above, that Ingram gets packaged with Miller and Moore before the trade deadline for someone who's truly deadly from beyond the arc.
except moore is already truly deadly from beyond the arc, and he finally can be paired with a 3 (ingram) that can cover him on D
Posted on 9/17/19 at 10:34 pm to cgrand
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except moore is already truly deadly from beyond the arc,
No, he's not. I mean, he shoots a high-percentage shot, but he doesn't create 3pt shots the way that someone like Redick does with his movement. Equally good would be someone who can consistently create his own 3-pt shot off the dribble.
I don't think we can ultimately be a championship team without that guy. That's who we should trade for -- whoever we think that is.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:00 am to TeddyPadillac
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I'd rather trade Lonzo as well but my reasoning is i think Ingram can turn into a player you give the ball to down the stretch of games and ask him to win it for you. He can get his shot off anytime he wants, and will likely only get better as an iso player. I know everyone wants to say we shouldn't be playing iso ball, but when there's 3 minutes left in a playoff game, you better have a guy that can score in isolation, or at least easily create his own shot or a good shot for someone else, and i think Ingram can get to a high level of doing that.
Sometimes forget he's been in the league for 3 years, but he just turned 22 two weeks ago. He still has plenty room for growth as a player.
Yeah, if he could develop a more consistent stroke from 3, he could become a very deadly 3. I hate to make the Durant comparison, but it's apt. I don't think he has the same dog in him as Durant does, but maybe he can develop it away from the mess of LA.
Ball, as much as we all disliked him before, also has a lot of talent and potential, but he seems redundant with Jrue in a lot of ways (break out your z-charts, boys!). He has obvious shooting limitations that seem like they'll be tough to overcome. His shot reminds me of Austin Rivers in a lot of ways. They don't both have the same hitch, but they both have really weird shooting forms that just don't seem as cleanly repeatable. Austin became serviceable from 3, but his shot will limit him from a bigger role. Ball is much more of a PG than Austin ever was, though, so maybe that makes up for it.
I just think Ingram is a much more unique commodity than Ball has more chance of being a number 1 or 2 option on offense.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:01 am to GOP_Tiger
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Equally good would be someone who can consistently create his own 3-pt shot off the dribble.
That only matters if they make enough of them for the defense to care.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:03 am to cgrand
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except moore is already truly deadly from beyond the arc
Lol
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:24 am to Jester
I completely agree with your Ball comments Jester
The big thing i think Lonzo needs to figure out more than his shot, is finishing at the rim.
He is well below league average at finishing at the rim, and he knows it, and he shies away from it. He's way to big of a guard to not be able to finish at the rim, especially in our offense where the court should be spread more and opportunities at the rim should be 1 on 1 with his smaller defender or mostly uncontested.
If he can at least up that part of his game, and become an attacker of the rim on offense, that will without a doubt help him out to stay on the court late in games.
I think he will be better in the uptempo, but once we get into a half court offense, if he can't shoot, and he can't finish at the rim, he's beyond worthless out there.
He really needs to study Jason Kidd film, and really, he should be talking to him and/or getting him to work out with him in the offseason. I know Kidd probably wants to live in LA, which is why he's a Lakers assistant, but he would have been a good guy to hire to help mold Lonzo into a better player.
The big thing i think Lonzo needs to figure out more than his shot, is finishing at the rim.
He is well below league average at finishing at the rim, and he knows it, and he shies away from it. He's way to big of a guard to not be able to finish at the rim, especially in our offense where the court should be spread more and opportunities at the rim should be 1 on 1 with his smaller defender or mostly uncontested.
If he can at least up that part of his game, and become an attacker of the rim on offense, that will without a doubt help him out to stay on the court late in games.
I think he will be better in the uptempo, but once we get into a half court offense, if he can't shoot, and he can't finish at the rim, he's beyond worthless out there.
He really needs to study Jason Kidd film, and really, he should be talking to him and/or getting him to work out with him in the offseason. I know Kidd probably wants to live in LA, which is why he's a Lakers assistant, but he would have been a good guy to hire to help mold Lonzo into a better player.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 9:05 am to TeddyPadillac
How about we just roll the dice and let these young dudes grow up together instead of always trying to overthink shite?
These dudes are literally everywhere together right now. They all intrinsically have something to prove.
Zo - Prove his dad and Lakers wrong
BI - Prove he is a legit scorer in the NBA
Jrue - Prove he can be a franchise player
Zion - Prove that this is his kingdom to inherit
Favors - Prove that he is just as good a Gobert if not better.
We havent even begun to talk about NAW, Hayes, JJ, etc.
Can we please just let this team grow?
These dudes are literally everywhere together right now. They all intrinsically have something to prove.
Zo - Prove his dad and Lakers wrong
BI - Prove he is a legit scorer in the NBA
Jrue - Prove he can be a franchise player
Zion - Prove that this is his kingdom to inherit
Favors - Prove that he is just as good a Gobert if not better.
We havent even begun to talk about NAW, Hayes, JJ, etc.
Can we please just let this team grow?
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