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re: Brandon Ingram Is the NBA’s Most Intriguing Rookie Extension Candidate (the ringer)

Posted on 9/18/19 at 9:40 am to
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 9/18/19 at 9:40 am to
I lol at the fact that we just acquired the best 3 we've had in over a decade and people want to get rid of him asap.

We've been begging for a competent SF forever.
Posted by CocoLoco
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 9/18/19 at 10:06 am to
Got some wild ones on here I tell you. We haven’t had a decent player at SF since Ariza. If he doesn’t workout fit wise he’s a trade chip for someone that will
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 9/18/19 at 10:09 am to
Agreed.

Ingram’s problem is he can’t reliably hit a jumper yet.

Same problem Lonzo has, and Zion.

But if I have a gun to my head, I’m building around Ingram and Zion over Lonzo and Zion.

As Ingram and Zion have shown point forward skills, both are athletes at much harder positions to staff, and both have the highest upside. Lonzo also is more replaceable. Heck, we already have a guy that just might be a great Jrue running mate in NAW, who coming out the gate on paper better compliments him, Zion, and Ingram because of his floor spacing and ability to play off the ball, stretch the defense, and has the size to be a solid defender.
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 10:10 am
Posted by Jester
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Posted on 9/18/19 at 10:14 am to
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I lol at the fact that we just acquired the best 3 we've had in over a decade and people want to get rid of him asap.

We've been begging for a competent SF forever.


But we've been focused on fairly limited 3-and-D guys. Ingram just throws all of that on its head and it's hard to cope.
Posted by Dogstar
Member since Jun 2019
372 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 10:21 am to
I’ve watched him for years and Cov is a bit of a low iq dumb dumb. He always fricks up right when you need it locked down. So do we really need this kind of player on the team? Someone who you will groin at once or twice a game every single game!? I’ll hard pass. He’s so hot or cold too he will go 7-11 from 3 one game and 1-11 the next. No consistency at all.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 9/18/19 at 10:25 am to
There's also this incorrect notion that the only way to create space is with 3 point shooting. You create space by moving defenders. You move defenders by being enough of a threat to force help. As long as there is a lot of movement, both players and the ball, this team can create space without 3 point shooting.
Posted by CocoLoco
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 9/18/19 at 10:26 am to
I’m the complete opposite. I see Lonzo as an ideal point guard with Zion and with way more upside than BI. Ingram does way too much iso ball for my taste and stops the ball movement. Zion and Zo both like to run and play in transition for quick baskets.

What is intriguing with BI is them maybe having most of his minutes with the 2nd unit where he can just go and get buckets or dish to shooters like JJ, Hart and Nico. I feel he will be more effective used that way.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 9/18/19 at 10:38 am to
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How about we just roll the dice and let these young dudes grow up together instead of always trying to overthink shite?



But what would we talk about if we didn't overthink shite?

quote:

Can we please just let this team grow?



Of course. that's the most exciting part of this team, is seeing the growth of all the young talent we have.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 9/18/19 at 10:45 am to
I can understand the arguments in favor at this point, because both have so many questions(we haven’t even touched the elephant in the room with Lonzo and his poor health, or Ingram and his clot), but ideal?

The ideal point guard next to Zion to me is a young Mike Conley, Kyrie Irving, Curry, or Lillard.

Projecting the younger guys, DeArron Fox or SGA are really my ideal running mates. And the fact we have SGA’s cousin who looks more and more like him makes me think NAW may end up being the long-term answer if he can translate to the NBA like his cousin has. Heck, if you asked me right now to trade Lonzo for Ja Morant I wouldn’t even hesitate and I think most teams wouldn’t either. I like Lonzo, but him more than anyone I wonder about long-term fit.
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 10:48 am
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 9/18/19 at 11:05 am to
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There's also this incorrect notion that the only way to create space is with 3 point shooting. You create space by moving defenders. You move defenders by being enough of a threat to force help. As long as there is a lot of movement, both players and the ball, this team can create space without 3 point shooting.


That works in the regular season, but in the playoffs, when a team has time to break down film and focus on defending, all that movement isnt' going to work like it did before.

Someone has to be able to hit a three, or all you end up doing is penetrating and kicking out, penetrating and kicking out, penetrating and kicking out, and then the shot clock runs out and you force up a shot.

Posted by Jester
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Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:25 pm to
quote:

There's also this incorrect notion that the only way to create space is with 3 point shooting. You create space by moving defenders. You move defenders by being enough of a threat to force help. As long as there is a lot of movement, both players and the ball, this team can create space without 3 point shooting.




The problem with a complete lack of shooting is that the opponent will happily allow that space to happen out to the 3 point line. You don't need all of your guys to be a threat, but you need at least 1 or 2 that can keep their guys honest and away from the paint.
Posted by cgrand
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Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 9/18/19 at 1:07 pm to
quote:

How about we just roll the dice and let these young dudes grow up together instead of always trying to overthink shite?


au contraire
failure to plan is planning to fail

besides we aren’t used to having young players.
we don’t know what to do with our hands
Posted by Baron
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 9/18/19 at 1:57 pm to
cgrand is right. The Pels are going to have to make a decision on Ingram sooner than everyone else and they are already preparing. Im not sure how likely a mid season trade of Ingram really is. It’s hard to imagine a situation where Ingram is playing well enough to have a high trade value, specifically to a contending team that is looking to upgrade mid-season, yet the Pels are also out of the playoff picture. Or if he’s not quite fitting in, I can’t imagine what we would get in a trade would be worth more than keeping the rights to match offers and hoping he figures it out in the second half. It just seems unlikely all of those stars would align. I would think a small sign and trade next summer would be more likely scenario than a mid-season trade.

The question everyone needs to be asking is how much is too much for Ingram? Would you be comfortable paying him 22-25 million a year for the next 3-4 years? Do you think we’ll know that by mid season? Will we even know that at the end of the year? Unfortunately that is just way too hard to answer right now with the uncertainty in how these pieces all will fit. What we do know is that If he is not 100% sure of Ingram’s fit on this team, Griffin will not sacrifice cap flexibility, even if it means letting Ingram walk for nothing.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29817 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 2:44 pm to
It's a pretty slippery slope dealing with Ingram.
On one hand, he wants the assurance of the guaranteed money the extension would give him now.
On the Pelicans hand, is a guy that has hasn't come close to playing a full season the last 2 seasons, and you still aren't sure he's worth $25m+/yr, or how he fits on your team to be tied down to him for 4 or 5 more years.

I doubt he becomes Wiggins, but there's always that chance and then he's basically untradeable.

I think i'd offer him something in the 3/74 million range or maybe 4/90 explaining to him that he can't make more than Jrue can right now. If you want more than that, then go out there and earn it this year and we'll gladly give you what you want next summer. Not sure how that kind of proposal would go over with him, if that will piss him off, but i don't think he's done anything to deserve all-star level money for long term right now for this team. I do think he can very easily prove himself worthy of a 5/150M contract after this year. Just hope he doesn't view that as he is just an asset for this business who is looking to maximize their return, whether that be with him making him earn it, or by trading him and letting someone else have his rights in RFA.
Posted by Unknown_Poster
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 9/18/19 at 10:22 pm to
Maybe I'm naive but I don't see Ingram commanding that much money. He's still an uncertainty. Don't see any team willing to throw that much cash at him even if the Pelicans don't make an offer.
Posted by ScaryClown
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 9/18/19 at 10:42 pm to
Lol you don’t know the nba then
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 9/18/19 at 10:47 pm to
Charlotte will have frickloads of cap space and will probably be thrilled to spend it on a hometown guy with star potential.
Posted by OrganizedChaos
Member since Jan 2019
108 posts
Posted on 9/19/19 at 7:13 am to
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Maybe I'm naive but I don't see Ingram commanding that much money


He's 22 and a 6'9 SF. Very hard to find a good SF, ask the Pels, they've been looking for one for like 8 years.

I maintain the Hornets will max him to get him away from NO. Mitch Kupchak drafted him in LA and the hornets have cap space.

Could also see the Cavs maxing him to compliment Sexton and Garland. They have cap space too


Posted by Sharp85
Member since Jan 2019
846 posts
Posted on 9/19/19 at 7:37 am to
Guys Ingram and Ball are just babies. Relax give it some time. They are both extremely talented see how it plays out. These are all good problems to have and yall worry about this three point spacing way to much. We have Redick, Moore and Hart we will make it work. Ingram has the upside to be top 20 player in league one day. Not saying he will but those dont grow on trees.
Posted by Jester
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Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 9/19/19 at 9:59 am to
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give it some time


The whole point is that we don't really have time to give it.
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