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re: Boston's talent
Posted on 2/3/19 at 6:00 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 2/3/19 at 6:00 pm to Lester Earl
You think he’s not going to resign in NYC if KD or KI are there? Lol
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Posted on 2/3/19 at 6:05 pm to Lester Earl
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People keep acting like it’s a forgone conclusion they prefer a Davis trade + 1 max FA over signing 2 max FA & keeping their assets to trade for a cheaper 3rd piece. Careful tho you might be labeled a contrarian
I always am, but I am just trying to follow how it would have to come together. Looking at the Knicks payroll, they would have to trade us 7 players to ship out as much money as possible (Dotson, Thomas, Mudiay, Smith, Knox, Robinson and Ntilikina). That is about 30M, but maybe a 3rd team could take some of that. That would give them Davis and Noahs contract, for a total of about 34M. which give them less than 70M to sign Durant and Irving, plus 12 more players. Is that possible?
Posted on 2/3/19 at 6:13 pm to Fun Bunch
They only have two max slots bunchie
Correct me if I am wrong
Correct me if I am wrong
Posted on 2/3/19 at 6:35 pm to Crewz
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the players we bring over are Gordon, Aminu, and Kaman all over again.
I think keeping Jrue and getting a good piece in the draft is the key to this not happening. Oh, and getting a good coach who can handle the players.
Posted on 2/3/19 at 7:02 pm to Lester Earl
You are wrong. The plan is to sign Kyrie and KD. THEN trade DSJ, Knox, Lance Thomas, Zion, and another small contract for AD.
Yes, the AD deal will be agreed to first (in mid June, if not earlier) but the deal will be done after KD and Kyrie is signed.
Is this clearer for you now?
Yes, the AD deal will be agreed to first (in mid June, if not earlier) but the deal will be done after KD and Kyrie is signed.
Is this clearer for you now?
Posted on 2/3/19 at 7:05 pm to Suntiger
Will have nothing to do with it. They would be coming from a team that has won 50+ games for the last two years; A franchise that is one of the most successful in the history of sports. They would go from that to one of the smallest markets in professional sports. To a franchise that rarely wins and hasn't accomplished anything....ever.
I know we are all biased and want to be mad that players don't want to come to New Orleans but when you step back and look at it objectively, it makes sense.
I know we are all biased and want to be mad that players don't want to come to New Orleans but when you step back and look at it objectively, it makes sense.
Posted on 2/3/19 at 7:19 pm to Crewz
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You are wrong. The plan is to sign Kyrie and KD. THEN trade DSJ, Knox, Lance Thomas, Zion, and another small contract for AD.
Yes, the AD deal will be agreed to first (in mid June, if not earlier) but the deal will be done after KD and Kyrie is signed.
Is this clearer for you now?
Sad you had the type that out.
It's the only logical way to even have it occur.
All it needs is for NY to get the pick, them to work out a handshake deal (likely requiring NYK probably agree either way).
Then free agency to start, players to discuss amongst themselves, NY to tell those players they have a deal ready in place to add AD. One signs. The next one signs. The trade happens. Minimum guys come.
All it requires is one of Kyrie, KD, or kemba and I'd bank it happens.
Posted on 2/3/19 at 7:30 pm to htran90
I came really close to being my jerk self, but I am trying my best. I am really, really, really trying. But some people are making it so hard.
(thats what she said)
(thats what she said)
Posted on 2/3/19 at 7:31 pm to Crewz
It seems to me that it makes more sense for the Knicks to keep the lottery pick and sign 2 big free agents. That will give them a lot more room to find role players and a bench, which are necessary to win a championship. The lack of bench and role players killed the Pels. Yes AD might lure free agents, but Zion and the Big Apple would probably lure them as well.
That said, to lure the Knicks, I think the Pels should consider making the deal right now, and accept the lottery risk. It will still be a top 10, and top 10 plus Knox is almost as good as the players we'll get from the Lakers anyway (one fewer) - but there's a greater chance of getting attitudes from the Lakers, as you said. Plus, the Dallas picks are probably going to be better than the Lakers picks (although that's not certain). And the Pels could get lucky with the lottery.
That said, to lure the Knicks, I think the Pels should consider making the deal right now, and accept the lottery risk. It will still be a top 10, and top 10 plus Knox is almost as good as the players we'll get from the Lakers anyway (one fewer) - but there's a greater chance of getting attitudes from the Lakers, as you said. Plus, the Dallas picks are probably going to be better than the Lakers picks (although that's not certain). And the Pels could get lucky with the lottery.
Posted on 2/3/19 at 7:38 pm to Overbrook
Knicks wouldn't get the free agents if they keep the draft pick.
Guys will not leave ready built teams to come play with a 19 year old. Fans see that 19 year old as a potential god. Veteran players see that same player as an annoying nuisance. I mean, look at how annoyed Kyrie is with the young guys now.
You aren't getting Kyrie and KD to come there to babysit guys. But you land AD and they come. So, would the Knicks trade the pick and literally anything else the Pels want for AD, KD, and Kyrie?
Yes, they would. I am tired of explaining to people that this is the way they will look at it. You guys gotta get smarter. I can't be this nice much longer....
Guys will not leave ready built teams to come play with a 19 year old. Fans see that 19 year old as a potential god. Veteran players see that same player as an annoying nuisance. I mean, look at how annoyed Kyrie is with the young guys now.
You aren't getting Kyrie and KD to come there to babysit guys. But you land AD and they come. So, would the Knicks trade the pick and literally anything else the Pels want for AD, KD, and Kyrie?
Yes, they would. I am tired of explaining to people that this is the way they will look at it. You guys gotta get smarter. I can't be this nice much longer....
Posted on 2/3/19 at 7:47 pm to Crewz
I don't think it's that intuitive for the common fan to think a superstar vet would see the number 1 pick as a nuisance. But it's good to know and makes it even more likely that the Knicks would deal number 1 to us for Anthony
This post was edited on 2/3/19 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 2/3/19 at 7:49 pm to Crewz
If we get the Zion pick it will turn the city around!
Posted on 2/3/19 at 7:50 pm to Overbrook
Like MM said, it's the talk of AD being traded for that is the initial move that convinces those guys to come.
It's different if those two sign without caring, but highly unlikely unless the trade is in place.
It's different if those two sign without caring, but highly unlikely unless the trade is in place.
Posted on 2/3/19 at 7:52 pm to htran90
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Sad you had the type that out. It's the only logical way to even have it occur.
Cause it is extremely tight for this to happen and people are leaving a lot of facts out. As near as I can figure, they have to decline the option on Mudiay. Then trade away all the other players on the team (6 of them). That just gets them Davis. Davis and Noah combine for about 33M. Once you figure in minimum cap holds, they have less than 70M to sign the two major FAs. But they can't add anything else.
I just don't see why they would do that, unless those players specifically request it. The team would be much better off holding onto their young and picks..
Posted on 2/3/19 at 7:57 pm to brmark70816
MM has talked a lot about trading to the Knicks, but hasn't once said he's worried about their cap situation.
Maybe it isn't a big a deal as you think? He's not one to leave important details out of the conversation. He's usually all over the nuance of it all too
Maybe it isn't a big a deal as you think? He's not one to leave important details out of the conversation. He's usually all over the nuance of it all too
This post was edited on 2/3/19 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 2/3/19 at 7:57 pm to brmark70816
You keep doing it wrong. Again, if you want someone to explain it to you, just ask. But don't assume you know what you are talking about when you don't.
Again, if you do the AD transaction AFTER signing KD and Kyrie, it is very, very easy. And in the offseason, you can order transactions any way that you want.
It would be extremely easy for them to pull off. Would they have a great roster 4-12 in year one of the trio? Of course not. But getting those complimentary pieces is the easy part when you are in NY and have 3 mega stars
Again, if you do the AD transaction AFTER signing KD and Kyrie, it is very, very easy. And in the offseason, you can order transactions any way that you want.
It would be extremely easy for them to pull off. Would they have a great roster 4-12 in year one of the trio? Of course not. But getting those complimentary pieces is the easy part when you are in NY and have 3 mega stars
Posted on 2/3/19 at 8:03 pm to Crewz
I think the problem with what you’re talking about is that he doesn’t know the difference between a trade agreement in principle (which is normally the first thing reported) and trade being completed. You can agree to a trade in the offseason and make it official at a later date.
Also, another hang up is that people don’t realize that’s what the big 3 in Miami and other teams did where role players would take paycuts to join a championship team in a major city.
Also, another hang up is that people don’t realize that’s what the big 3 in Miami and other teams did where role players would take paycuts to join a championship team in a major city.
Posted on 2/3/19 at 8:06 pm to Mad Scientist26
Thats fine. I don't expect people to know everything. But then just ask instead of trying to act like you know what you are talking about. Love me or hate me, I am in the top .000001 percent when it comes to knowledge of the CBA. So use that tool, rather than act like you know, be wrong, and then pass on that misinformation.
Posted on 2/3/19 at 8:08 pm to Crewz
Yeah did you see kyrie today with the young guys.
I think he's had enough of Boston and would her to new York in a new York second.
Kyrie kd and ad.
I think he's had enough of Boston and would her to new York in a new York second.
Kyrie kd and ad.
Posted on 2/3/19 at 8:10 pm to Crewz
Alright, I got it now. So the trade would happen late July or so. That does make sense. Sucks to wait that long, but I see what you mean..
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