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re: Birdwrites argues for signing Holiday #2 to MLE
Posted on 6/27/17 at 1:11 pm to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 6/27/17 at 1:11 pm to TeddyPadillac
This thread went off the rails far and fast. Does anyone have anything to say about Justin Holiday? Most of us seem to think Moore is an acceptable value making roughly the MLE. Is Justin Holiday as good as Moore? Most of the stats do seem to suggest they're comparable, LINK although Holiday had a much higher RPM than Moore.
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 1:12 pm to TigerinATL
I like Holiday's game, but I think Moore is the better player. Holiday is a lot like his brother defensively. He's a good one-on-one defender but I question his team defense especially on a long possession. His numbers suggest he'd be an above average shooter but I'd personally rank him in BAE territory versus MLE territory.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 1:13 pm to TigerinATL
If they were to move on from Moore via trade, Holiday would be an adequate replacement, IMO.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 1:16 pm to TigerinATL
HP basketball had some tweets that his shooting is higher end tier in the league ... 75-88 percentile in a lot of categories. His defense was also the best on the Knicks last year as well by the metric they tweeted. Was a few days ago and they tweet a lot or id find them.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 1:24 pm to ShamelessPel
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Justin Holiday was 83rd percentile in spot-up, 87th on the cut, and 78th on hand-offs. Free agent next week.
Is what HP tweeted.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 1:32 pm to Machine
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think more of a debbie downer
haha, I don't think so. I'm a pretty positive person for the most part.
and on Justin, i'd like him on the team, but I don't really care one way or the other. Not a guy that we should use the MLE on though, and if he wants that much, then no thanks.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 1:59 pm to TeddyPadillac
I think a problem is defining who exactly is worth the MLE now? We are still in a weird money period with the cap.
I think both Moore and Holiday (Justin) are solid role players who can spot start. They seem to be very similar players with Moore being a combo guard and Holiday more of a 2/3. Holiday is a more versatile defender and better rebounder, while Moore is a better creator and ball handler. Similar shooters with edge going to Etwaun. I don't see a huge discrepancy in their respective value, but I admit to not watching Justin Holiday play very much.
I think both Moore and Holiday (Justin) are solid role players who can spot start. They seem to be very similar players with Moore being a combo guard and Holiday more of a 2/3. Holiday is a more versatile defender and better rebounder, while Moore is a better creator and ball handler. Similar shooters with edge going to Etwaun. I don't see a huge discrepancy in their respective value, but I admit to not watching Justin Holiday play very much.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 2:05 pm to NOFOX
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I think a problem is defining who exactly is worth the MLE now? We are still in a weird money period with the cap.
I think the MLE should probably be your 6th best player, if you have a somewhat balanced roster. The more top heavy your team, the higher up the MLE is in hierarchy (if you have multiple players on max contracts the MLE might be your 4th or 5th best player).
Posted on 6/27/17 at 2:07 pm to TeddyPadillac
Jrue's kid was just born - even if he signs a 5 year contract, his kid wont be school age until he turns 6
Posted on 6/27/17 at 2:12 pm to Machine
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if i were rich, New Orleans would be one of the first places i bought a condo.
Seriously?
Posted on 6/27/17 at 2:20 pm to Epic Cajun
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I think the MLE should probably be your 6th best player, if you have a somewhat balanced roster. The more top heavy your team, the higher up the MLE is in hierarchy (if you have multiple players on max contracts the MLE might be your 4th or 5th best player).
That's fine to say, but who do you think are options this year that would receive the full MLE?
Posted on 6/27/17 at 2:49 pm to Andynola
that's what i said. i mean all babies and young kids do is go around shitting. what better city to do that in than new orleans.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 2:53 pm to NOFOX
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That's fine to say, but who do you think are options this year that would receive the full MLE?
Collison
PJ Tucker
Bogdonavich
Joe Ingles
Patty Mills
CJ Miles
Ian Clark
Sefolosha
Jonathon Simmons
Mbah a Moute
Justin Holiday
Tony Allen
Shelvin Mack
Casspi
Shaun Livingston
Gerald Green
Shabazz Muhammad
Some of those guys aren't worth the full MLE, and a few might be worth more. I'm sure i'm missing some too, since this was just off the top my head.
If Snell or Simmons can be had with the full MLE, i'd give that to them in a heartbeat.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 2:56 pm to NOFOX
Players like Jonathan Simmons (may get more due to RFA), James Johnson, Tony Snell, Darren Collison, Andre Roberson (may get more), Patrick Patterson, etc...
IMO, those are the types of players that should get the full MLE, but who knows if they'll get overpaid. It only takes one a-hole.
IMO, those are the types of players that should get the full MLE, but who knows if they'll get overpaid. It only takes one a-hole.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 2:58 pm to Epic Cajun
I think Snell and Simmons get more than the MLE. I also think we should offer both of them the full MLE, Simmons first.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:06 pm to TeddyPadillac
I think they may, because RFA's are typically overpaid.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:10 pm to TeddyPadillac
I think at the least Livingston, Collison, Miles, Mills, Ingles, Snell, Bogdonavich and Simmons would require more than the MLE.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:14 pm to NOFOX
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I think at the least Livingston, Collison, Miles, Mills, Ingles, Snell, Bogdonavich and Simmons would require more than the MLE.
i'd agree. It would be great to get any of those with the MLE, although i don't think Livingston really fits this team.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:34 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:Ever lived there? Where do you live?
Just saying that NO is a shithole to live in, in some peoples opinion.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:38 pm to TigerinATL
I honestly do not see the appeal in Justin Holiday. He is a marginal player IMO. I would not invest much in him. Although I realize he may get more, I view him as more of a BAE type player.
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