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Bill Simmons/Ryen Rusillo podcast—June 17, 2019
Posted on 2/24/23 at 7:18 am
Posted on 2/24/23 at 7:18 am
1st hour breaking down AD trade, Zion, and the bright future of the Pels
I never really got the Simmons thing and why he was shoved down our throats so hard for that brief period of time. And his Boston homerism was annoying, so I was out on him. But he started a podcast network on The Ringer—mostly nerdy basketball stuff—but I happened upon one called “The Rewatchables,” which is him and a couple of guests talking about older movies that are really rewatchable—like if you happened upon one flipping channels, no matter where it was in the movie, you were gonna stick with it until the end. Shawshank is like that for a lot of people. A Few Good Men and Jaws for me. You get the picture.
Anyway, I really liked it, and all the episodes I started watching were early on, about 3 years ago. And The Town was the 1st one I watched, and Rusillo was on it (I’d recommend it if you like the movie) who I’ve always liked. Anyway, it fricked up my YouTube algorithm to where I was getting all these 3-year-old Simmons and Rusillo basketball podcasts recommended to me, almost all of which I couldn’t have given 2 shits about.
Until I got one yesterday from June 17th, 2019, titled “The AD Trade, Next Laker’s Moves, and Zion’s Rosy Future.” So I decided to give it a listen. And holy shite were we in a GREAT spot. Nobody could have predicted the Zion injuries, but shite if we didn’t zig when we should have (in retrospect) zagged.
A few takeaways:
—Pels had just traded AD to the Lakers
—Both guys, especially Simmons, thought we absolutely fleeced the Lakers
—Simmons was incredulous that we not only got B.I., Lonzo, Josh Hart, and the #4 overall pick that year, but they threw in 2 more 1st rounders and the pick swaps for no good reason since they were basically negotiating against themselves.
—we won the lottery and got Zion and still had the 4th pick (the draft was 3 days later)
—granted, they both were super high on Zion and thought he was “that dude.” Nobody had ever been that strong and explosive with his basketball IQ at that age. They couldn’t believe his handles, his passing, court awareness at that age and that size.
Referred to him as a point-center. Obviously they couldn’t predict his future injuries.
—Rusillo was really high on Garland and thought we should take him at 4, even if he wasn’t the best “fit.” Most people thought it was a 3-player draft, he was convinced it was a 4 with Garland (turned out to be right)
—Simmons said the Pels had the best roster situation of any team for the next decade with all their assets and that Lonzo and BI may have been held back in L.A. and could turn into really good players. Plus the picks.
It was just a really interesting conversation for the time. Of course we traded #4 to the Hawks—who didn’t even take Garland (who, of course is the only one of the group to ever make an All-Star game, last year averaging 21.7 points and 8.6 assists per game—averaging 21.8 and 7.9 this year, and he’s only 23) for #8 who became Jaxson Hayes, #17 who became NAW, and the Hawks 2020 1st rounder who became Kira Lewis at #13. And there were some 2nd rounders in there somewhere.
And I don’t remember it being thought of as a bad trade at the time—in fact, Rusillo was the main one pimping for the Pels to take Garland—so I don’t know that it’s a fair criticism of Griffin now. Just the butterfly effect. But just what would this team look like now if we had stuck with 4 and taken Garland?
I never really got the Simmons thing and why he was shoved down our throats so hard for that brief period of time. And his Boston homerism was annoying, so I was out on him. But he started a podcast network on The Ringer—mostly nerdy basketball stuff—but I happened upon one called “The Rewatchables,” which is him and a couple of guests talking about older movies that are really rewatchable—like if you happened upon one flipping channels, no matter where it was in the movie, you were gonna stick with it until the end. Shawshank is like that for a lot of people. A Few Good Men and Jaws for me. You get the picture.
Anyway, I really liked it, and all the episodes I started watching were early on, about 3 years ago. And The Town was the 1st one I watched, and Rusillo was on it (I’d recommend it if you like the movie) who I’ve always liked. Anyway, it fricked up my YouTube algorithm to where I was getting all these 3-year-old Simmons and Rusillo basketball podcasts recommended to me, almost all of which I couldn’t have given 2 shits about.
Until I got one yesterday from June 17th, 2019, titled “The AD Trade, Next Laker’s Moves, and Zion’s Rosy Future.” So I decided to give it a listen. And holy shite were we in a GREAT spot. Nobody could have predicted the Zion injuries, but shite if we didn’t zig when we should have (in retrospect) zagged.
A few takeaways:
—Pels had just traded AD to the Lakers
—Both guys, especially Simmons, thought we absolutely fleeced the Lakers
—Simmons was incredulous that we not only got B.I., Lonzo, Josh Hart, and the #4 overall pick that year, but they threw in 2 more 1st rounders and the pick swaps for no good reason since they were basically negotiating against themselves.
—we won the lottery and got Zion and still had the 4th pick (the draft was 3 days later)
—granted, they both were super high on Zion and thought he was “that dude.” Nobody had ever been that strong and explosive with his basketball IQ at that age. They couldn’t believe his handles, his passing, court awareness at that age and that size.
Referred to him as a point-center. Obviously they couldn’t predict his future injuries.
—Rusillo was really high on Garland and thought we should take him at 4, even if he wasn’t the best “fit.” Most people thought it was a 3-player draft, he was convinced it was a 4 with Garland (turned out to be right)
—Simmons said the Pels had the best roster situation of any team for the next decade with all their assets and that Lonzo and BI may have been held back in L.A. and could turn into really good players. Plus the picks.
It was just a really interesting conversation for the time. Of course we traded #4 to the Hawks—who didn’t even take Garland (who, of course is the only one of the group to ever make an All-Star game, last year averaging 21.7 points and 8.6 assists per game—averaging 21.8 and 7.9 this year, and he’s only 23) for #8 who became Jaxson Hayes, #17 who became NAW, and the Hawks 2020 1st rounder who became Kira Lewis at #13. And there were some 2nd rounders in there somewhere.
And I don’t remember it being thought of as a bad trade at the time—in fact, Rusillo was the main one pimping for the Pels to take Garland—so I don’t know that it’s a fair criticism of Griffin now. Just the butterfly effect. But just what would this team look like now if we had stuck with 4 and taken Garland?
Posted on 2/24/23 at 7:21 am to Hot Carl
And they really shite on AD taking the year off and wearing the “That’s All, Folks”’t-shirt the last game. Said all reports are that he’s a good dude, but really pulled a dick move and came off as a huge a-hole to the Pels fans and the city of New Orleans who had really embraced him while he as there. And it was totally unnecessary.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 7:27 am to Hot Carl
quote:
holy shite were we in a GREAT spot
No GM has ever been better set up for success. And Griff came really close to blowing it. Pulling Herb and Jose out of thin air literally saved his job.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 7:55 am to Hot Carl
This is a super star league and you trade the #4 overall pick for 8, 17 and 13? That’s a poor decision in my opinion. I’m not even looking at the players. At that point you already had BI, Lonzo, Hart, Jrue and Zion (walking through the door). Why try to round out more depth when you could have had another potential super star?
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:08 am to BigPerm30
quote:
This is a super star league and you trade the #4 overall pick for 8, 17 and 13? That’s a poor decision in my opinion. I’m not even looking at the players. At that point you already had BI, Lonzo, Hart, Jrue and Zion (walking through the door). Why try to round out more depth when you could have had another potential super star?
I agree. And my memory is not reliable, but I think the consensus was there were only 3 sure fire superstars in the draft going in. There seemed to be a thinking the gap from 3 to 4 was significant. But I could be wrong. Hell, Harland didn’t even go 4th.
And I forgot to mention they were both pretty high on Jrue, too.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:10 am to TigerinATL
quote:
No GM has ever been better set up for success. And Griff came really close to blowing it. Pulling Herb and Jose out of thin air literally saved his job.
Murphy was a nice pick for where they got him. I’m not as interested in how Griff fricked up, but more the butterfly effect if we had stuck with 4 and drafted Garland. What moves would we have made/not made? What would the roster look like now?
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:28 am to Hot Carl
I fully believe that we passed on Garland as to not harm the relationship with Lonzo. Remember that Lonzo was the Cali guy, all the drama with his dad and all the talk of does he really want to play here. Garland also had the injury concerns.
But Garland and Lonzo could have played together IMO, Lonzo is of course gone now, and we will probably regret that one for a long time.
But Garland and Lonzo could have played together IMO, Lonzo is of course gone now, and we will probably regret that one for a long time.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:01 am to Hot Carl
quote:
we
It's not hard to type out
"The Pelicans" instead of "we"...
sounds so bad when a fan inserts themselves onto a team that they have no part in.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 2:33 pm to longhorn22
quote:
It's not hard to type out
"The Pelicans" instead of "we"...
sounds so bad when a fan inserts themselves onto a team that they have no part in.
You could not possibly fathom how little of a frick I give about your thoughts on my usage of the word “we.”
btw—your fricking username is longhorn. Which team do you play for?
Posted on 2/24/23 at 2:43 pm to TigerinATL
Agreed except Jose and Herb are really just meh players. Fans like both of them but they aren't all that good. His mistake in trading #4 overall for nothing dudes has hampered this franchise where we yet again seem to accept mediocrity. As a fan from the Charlotte days, it's the same shite
Posted on 2/24/23 at 2:46 pm to Hot Carl
quote:Not gonna lie, that's kind of a knockout blow right there.
btw—your fricking username is longhorn.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 5:28 pm to PELsu
Dude Lonzo hasn’t played a game in over a year and may not even play again with the knee injuries he has right now.
Not taking Garland wasn’t the smartest thing in hindsight, but the Pelicans thought they were in a good spot to make the playoffs that year. The trade with Atlanta got us off the Hill contract as well and made room to sign JJ.
They went into the year thinking they had
Lonzo
Jrue
BI
Zion
Favors
With a bench of JJ, Moore, Kenrich, Hart, Melli plus the young guys.
Zion and Favors getting hurt early completely wrecked our front court depth and Gentry was an awful fit for that team. That team should’ve contended for the playoffs and were thought to be favorites to make the playoffs when the bubble started.
Not taking Garland wasn’t the smartest thing in hindsight, but the Pelicans thought they were in a good spot to make the playoffs that year. The trade with Atlanta got us off the Hill contract as well and made room to sign JJ.
They went into the year thinking they had
Lonzo
Jrue
BI
Zion
Favors
With a bench of JJ, Moore, Kenrich, Hart, Melli plus the young guys.
Zion and Favors getting hurt early completely wrecked our front court depth and Gentry was an awful fit for that team. That team should’ve contended for the playoffs and were thought to be favorites to make the playoffs when the bubble started.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 6:12 pm to fightingtigers98
quote:
Zion and Favors getting hurt early completely wrecked our front court depth and Gentry was an awful fit for that team. That team should’ve contended for the playoffs and were thought to be favorites to make the playoffs when the bubble started
They were on a tear and in prime position to make the playoffs before the season was shut down. IIRC we were only like 2 games back of the 8th seed and were absolutely killing teams. Shutting the season down killed all our momentum.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:08 pm to BigPerm30
Hindsight is a bitch, but thinking about it:
Guards: Jrue Holiday, Lonzo Ball, Josh Hart, E'Twaun Moore
Forwards: BI, Williams.
C: ???
July: Traded for Favors, Signed JJ Redick
You had a huge question mark at center and needed a guard to replace Jrue/Moore. Got off solomon Hill's contract.
Agreed, even with hindsight ---- they just thought NAW was gonna be a solid prospect like SGA. Lets be honest, an ACC guard who was 6'5 and shot 38% in 2 years (39 and 37% from 3) or a 6'2 SEC freshman who played 5 games (shot 48% from 3 tho).
Guards: Jrue Holiday, Lonzo Ball, Josh Hart, E'Twaun Moore
Forwards: BI, Williams.
C: ???
July: Traded for Favors, Signed JJ Redick
You had a huge question mark at center and needed a guard to replace Jrue/Moore. Got off solomon Hill's contract.
Agreed, even with hindsight ---- they just thought NAW was gonna be a solid prospect like SGA. Lets be honest, an ACC guard who was 6'5 and shot 38% in 2 years (39 and 37% from 3) or a 6'2 SEC freshman who played 5 games (shot 48% from 3 tho).
Posted on 2/25/23 at 5:46 am to Hot Carl
quote:
But just what would this team look like now if we had stuck with 4 and taken Garland?
Why? You can literally do this with every draft. Teams miss on players. Reliving this over and over doesn't accomplish anything.
It made sense at the time. We had Ball and Holiday. We didn't need a PG. We had massive holes almost everywhere else.
Garland was a big mystery going into the draft. Had the injury and then sat out the rest of the year. He was also really awful his rookie year. Would we have had the patience to see him come around?
Posted on 2/26/23 at 5:31 am to Hot Carl
quote:
Garland (who, of course is the only one of the group to ever make an All-Star game
Excuse me. This man would like a word. Zion made the ASG before Garland.
In all seriousness though, I like your post. Kind of eye opening we could have drafted Zion + Garland. OR Zion + Tyler Herro + Jordan Poole. All available when we picked/traded for Jaxson and NAW.
This post was edited on 2/26/23 at 5:35 am
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