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re: Bill Reiter (CBS SR) says Silver should intervene if Kawhi signs with LAL
Posted on 7/5/19 at 12:10 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 7/5/19 at 12:10 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Seems like %90 of the media wants Kawhi in LA. If you were to ask any one of them whether or not Toronto is a great basketball city, they would say yes. So they are completely good with Toronto, a great basketball city, not having any stars and not being competitive just so LA can have a 3rd star on the team. Pisses me off.
Problem is that the media is basically on an LA-NYC axis in this country, although CNN has made Atlanta a media hub to an extent.
All these media people want the star players to be in these markets either so they don't have to travel to see them or so they get to head into a "destination" city to see them.
Nobody wants to fly to Cleveland, Milwaukee, Memphis, Minneapolis, etc.
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Posted on 7/5/19 at 12:10 pm to TigerinATL
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but this looks like a threat to their power and I don't think they'll let this threat fester and grow.
There's really nothing they can do, unless they go nuclear on a lockout and fundamentally alter the CBA. Which is silly given how much money they make.
Rich Paul is not a new phenomenon. The Bucks were Jason Schwartz's personal fiefdom for a while. David Falk used to swing his dick all over the league.
The fundamental, intractable issue is that it is impossible to legislate conversations in an effective way. Players will talk to each other. Team execs will talk to agents. That's what they do
Posted on 7/5/19 at 12:11 pm to corndeaux
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The fundamental, intractable issue is that it is impossible to legislate conversations in an effective way. Players will talk to each other. Team execs will talk to agents. That's what they do
I don't think colluding to end up on the Heat as free agents is in the same conversation as players currently under contract, with multiple years left no less, demanding they be traded to the destination of their choice.
Posted on 7/5/19 at 12:13 pm to teke184
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if AD's paycheck for Space Jam 2 should just "happen" to be $4m higher than the other players involved, it could be considered a salary cap evasion by LeBron (executive producer of the movie) paying him outside basketball to waive his trade kicker.
Or they came to terms at that rate.
Plus, are you going to go back and legislate every time a team convinced a player to take less money or waive a trade kicker? Dirk and the Mavs? Duncan, Parkerz Ginobili and the Spurs? Etc etc etc. Sometimes guys take less money to help their team, which everyone applauds until they dont
Posted on 7/5/19 at 12:13 pm to teke184
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they would be doing it to get ahead of the next CBA battle for 2023-2024.
I'm sure the union thinks this is the way things should be. And maybe it is the way things SHOULD be with players having more control. What they seem to forget every time is Billionaires vs. Millionaires is like an NBA team playing a bunch of middle schoolers on 8 foot goals. What should be and what is are often 2 very different things.This post was edited on 7/5/19 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 7/5/19 at 12:14 pm to TigerinATL
Pretty much.
The billionaires have a much easier job if only because they are only corralling 30 assholes, not 400+.
The billionaires have a much easier job if only because they are only corralling 30 assholes, not 400+.
Posted on 7/5/19 at 12:14 pm to teke184
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demanding they be traded to the destination of their choice.
That isn't new. Been happening for decades. And will continue to happen. Guys want out all the time in every sport.
Posted on 7/5/19 at 12:17 pm to corndeaux
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That isn't new. Been happening for decades. And will continue to happen. Guys want out all the time in every sport.
With 2 years left on their contract and actively tanking their value to every other franchise in the league?
CP3 could get away with his shite because it was an expiring contract.
AD still had 1.5 years left on his when he demanded out.
My point is, to a degree, beggars can't be choosers.
If you want out, you get out. But you don't get to dictate exactly where you are going and then tank your value so that they don't have to sell the farm to get you.
Posted on 7/5/19 at 12:18 pm to teke184
quote:I mean, the Lakers did sell the farm to get him.
If you want out, you get out. But you don't get to dictate exactly where you are going and then tank your value so that they don't have to sell the farm to get you.
Posted on 7/5/19 at 12:18 pm to teke184
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you don't get to dictate exactly where you are going and then tank your value so that they don't have to sell the farm to get you.
The Pels could have told Davis to frick off. He can request a trade to wherever.
And LA did indeed sell the farm for him. So what's the problem?
Posted on 7/5/19 at 12:23 pm to corndeaux
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So what's the problem?
Coaches and GMs get fined for mentioning players names to the point that most coaches in press conferences often say "are you trying to get me fined?" if reporters ask questions they shouldn't answer. AD did end up getting fined, but for the most part they turn a blind eye to all the tampering that players do. The players should be as locked down publicly as the coaches and GMs are. All of this should have happened behind closed doors so it doesn't cost fans of a team an entire season.
Posted on 7/5/19 at 12:23 pm to TigerinATL
I always come back to what the owners are worried about with player movement.
The have a cartel on professional basketball. They are all billionaires with money from other ventures. The teams can make money with revenue sharing + tv contract. Franchise values are through the roof. There is a salary cap + luxury tax that prevents those who would spend a fortune on a title from doing so.
It's been proven over the last decade that you don't have to be in LA or NYC to compete for titles. Just be smart and lucky. As a fan, I get wanting player loyalty. But it is always fascinating how the sympathy shifts to the billionaire in these arguments.
For fricks sake, until 2 months ago the Pels were one of the most poorly run organizations in all of sports. I'm supposed to rally behind that in a battle over Davis wanting out? Give me a break
The have a cartel on professional basketball. They are all billionaires with money from other ventures. The teams can make money with revenue sharing + tv contract. Franchise values are through the roof. There is a salary cap + luxury tax that prevents those who would spend a fortune on a title from doing so.
It's been proven over the last decade that you don't have to be in LA or NYC to compete for titles. Just be smart and lucky. As a fan, I get wanting player loyalty. But it is always fascinating how the sympathy shifts to the billionaire in these arguments.
For fricks sake, until 2 months ago the Pels were one of the most poorly run organizations in all of sports. I'm supposed to rally behind that in a battle over Davis wanting out? Give me a break
Posted on 7/5/19 at 12:27 pm to TigerinATL
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The players should be as locked down publicly as the coaches and GMs are
That is a band aid on a decapitation. Ok. Players get fined for talking about playing with each other publicly.
Just like coaches, GMs, owners, they continue to do so off the record
Edit- and it still leaks and people are still talking about it. See KD to NYC over the last year or so. Or LeBron to LA his last year in Cleveland. Or KD to GS
This post was edited on 7/5/19 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 7/5/19 at 12:28 pm to corndeaux
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But it is always fascinating how the sympathy shifts to the billionaire in these arguments.
The fans are the 3rd stakeholder in this relationship but they have absolutely zero control over anything other than attendance and attention. They side with the teams so often because fans of teams interests align with the teams more often than the players.
Posted on 7/5/19 at 12:30 pm to TigerinATL
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fans of teams interests align with the teams
This is the part I would seriously question.
A hell of an assumption that ownership is doing everything they can to win/be first rate. Whereas, a fan is always expecting a win/quality product
Posted on 7/5/19 at 12:37 pm to corndeaux
Good or bad, most teams benefit from being able to keep their better players. So fans usually are also in favor of rules that limit player movement.
Posted on 7/5/19 at 12:40 pm to shel311
What opportunities??
They have nothing to trade, and they have no cap space, not next year, not the year after, and not for the foreseeable future (unless Lebron takes the minimum when his deal is up)
Their roster improvements would be the MLE and minimum contracts, that's all they will have to offer money wise
They have nothing to trade, and they have no cap space, not next year, not the year after, and not for the foreseeable future (unless Lebron takes the minimum when his deal is up)
Their roster improvements would be the MLE and minimum contracts, that's all they will have to offer money wise
Posted on 7/5/19 at 12:41 pm to corndeaux
I’m mainly talking about midseason when AD intentionally shitcanned our season and tried to jump ship to play with LeBron in the playoffs.
We make that deal in February and we miss out on Zion and probably the 4th pick too, along with various other pieces we got because of WHEN we made the trade.
Taking a pupu platter of injured guys and expirings like Rondo and KCP would have been selling low given the lack of turnaround time to flip them for more pieces.
We make that deal in February and we miss out on Zion and probably the 4th pick too, along with various other pieces we got because of WHEN we made the trade.
Taking a pupu platter of injured guys and expirings like Rondo and KCP would have been selling low given the lack of turnaround time to flip them for more pieces.
Posted on 7/5/19 at 12:49 pm to Soggymoss
quote:The MLE is over $9mil, they get that every year. That is an opportunity.
What opportunities??
They have nothing to trade, and they have no cap space, not next year, not the year after, and not for the foreseeable future (unless Lebron takes the minimum when his deal is up)
Their roster improvements would be the MLE and minimum contracts, that's all they will have to offer money wise
There's also the bi-annual exception. They have avenues to make improvements from year 1 to year 2.
Posted on 7/5/19 at 1:53 pm to teke184
Oh I agree. And I'm glad the Pels told Davis and the Lakers to frick off. It never really made sense to trade him then since Boston was unable to even be a part of the discussion, unless the offer was beyond overwhelming.
Interesting hypo- what happens if there is no Rose rule and the Celtics can bid for Davis? Is Boston desperate enough, like LA was, to do what it takes to get him?
Interesting hypo- what happens if there is no Rose rule and the Celtics can bid for Davis? Is Boston desperate enough, like LA was, to do what it takes to get him?
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