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Big Boards and Comps
Posted on 5/21/23 at 10:50 am
Posted on 5/21/23 at 10:50 am
Been looking into the draft a lot, and i think the talent depth in this draft is pretty awesome, better than typical for sure. Came up with a Big-Board, tiered the prospects in positions, and tried to comp everybody, and wanted to share so some ppl can get excited about a few they may not know about, and also to have discussion of comps and tiers. Please post your own big boards and comps, however big your list, as well
1 C Victor Wembanyama (7 1/2 ' Durant)
2 SF Brandon Miller (heavier T-mac lite)
3 PG Scoot Henderson (better Westbrook)
4 PF Jarace Walker (shorter but stronger & more athletic Pascal)
5 PG Anthony Black (LaMelo with Josh Giddey's brain and better on D than both)
6 SG Ausar Thompson (Jaylen Brown)
7 SF Bilal Coulibaly (Giannis lite/Mikal Bridges)
8 SG Sidy Cissoko (Jimmy Butler lite/Draymond lite-lite)
9 SG Jordan Hawkins (Ray Allen)
10 SF Jett Howard (Klay minus the defense)
11 PG Cason Wallace (Jrue)
12 PG Amen Thompson (faster Scottie Barnes/Jalen Green)
13 SG Keyonte George (bigger better defending more athletic CJ)
14 PF Taylor Hendricks (PF version of Bam + JJJ's or Jonathan Issac's perimeter D)
15 PG Jalen Hood-Schifino (Shaun Livingston with Mike Conley's brain)
16 PF Trayce Jackson-Davis (Sabonis but a much better defender)
17 SF Cam Whitmore (Iggy)
18 PF Kris Murray (lil smaller Keegan Murray)
19 SF Gradey Dick (Kevin Huerter+)
20 PF GG Jackson (quicker Julius Randle)
21 SG/PG Kobe Bufkin (bigger stronger Darius Garland but gets less separation and slightly less skilled)
22 SF Rayan Rupert (Nic Batum++)
23 PF Brice Sensabaugh (Paul Pierce lite)
24 SG Brandin Podziemski (Donte DiVincenzo)
25 SF Jalen Slawson (off-ball Cade lite)
26 PF Leonard Miller (quicker JJJ lite, minus the 3 [smaller Hendricks])
27 C James Nnaji (Jalen Duren)
28 C Adem Bona (Clint Capela)
29 SF Maxwell Lewis (raw Brandon Ingram from small school)
30 SG Colby Jones (Derrick White)
31 SF Jordan Walsh (Richard Jefferson)
32 SG Nikola Durisic (Bogdonovic+/Luka - -)
33 SG Amari Bailey (Jordan Poole)
34 PF Noah Clowney (Bobby Portis Jr.)
35 C Daron Holmes (Kevon Looney)
36 C Derreck Lively (Javale McGee)
37 SG Ricky Council IV (Mikal Bridges' Offense minus the shooting)
38 PF Mojave King (Brandon Clarke)
39 PG Marcus Sasser (Terry Rozier)
40 SG Seth Lundy (Brogdon lite/ Seth Curry)
41 PF/C Bobi Klintman (Christian Wood)
42 SF Dariq Whitehead (Tyreke but worse handles, much better D, young injured project, high potential)
43 SG Ben Sheppard (RJ Barrett lite)
44 SG Jordan Miller (JR Smith)
45 SF Jalen Bridges (bigger better defending Naji Marshall)
46 SF Julian Strawther (smaller slightly quicker Tobias Harris)
47 C Tristan Vukcevic (extremely raw shorter
Porzingis)
48 PF Adama Sanogo (Paul Milsap lite)
49 PF Olivier Maxence-Prosper (smaller quicker Naz Reid )
50 SF Kobe Brown (Huge very raw but good IQ, all around)
51 PF Mouhamad Geuye (project w/ good IQ, good athlete and versatile offensive aptitude, very raw)
52 SF Jaime Jaquez Jr. (Greivis Vasquez)
53 PG Mike Miles Jr. (Davion Mitchell lite)
54 SG Keyonte Johnson
55 PG Judah Mintz (Rondo lite lite minus?)
56 SG Jalen Wilson (bigger slower Will Barton but worse passer & handles)
57 G/F Emoni Bates (Kevin Porter Jr.)
58 SF Dillon Mitchell (Kevin Knox+)
59 PG Trey Alexander (Devonte Graham)
60 PG Terquavion Smith (Bones Hyland)
C
1 Victor Wembanyama
2 James Nnaji
Adem Bona
Daron Holmes
5 Dereck Lively
6 Bobi Klintman
7 Tristan Vukcevic (potential to move up a group)
PF
1A Jarace Walker
1B Taylor Hendricks
2A Trayce Jackson-Davis
2B Kris Murray
2C Leornard Miller
6 GG Jackson
7 Brice Sensabaugh
8 Noah Clowney
9 Bobi Klintman
10 Adama Sanogo
11 Olivier Maxence-Prosper
12 Mouhamad Geuye
SF
1 Brandon Miller
2 Bilal Coulibaly
3 Jett Howard
5 Cam Whitmore
7 Gradey Dick
8 Rayan Rupert
9 Jalen Slawson
10 Maxwell Lewis
11 Jordan Walsh
12 Dariq Whitehead
13 Jalen Bridges
14 Julian Strawther
15 Kobe Brown
16 Jaime Jaquez Jr
17 Emoni Bates
18 Dillon Mitchell
SG
Jordan Hawkins
Ausar Thompson
Sidy Cissoko
Keyonte George
Kobe Bufkin
Brandin Podziemski
Colby Jones
Jordan Walsh
Nikola Durisic
Amari Bailey
Ricky Council IV
Seth Lundy
Ben Sheppard
Jordan Miller
14 Keyonte Johnson
15 Jalen Wilson
PG
1A Scoot Henderson
1B Anthony Black
2A Cason Wallace
2B Amen Thompson
2C Jalen Hood-Schifino
6 Marcus Sasser
7 Mike Miles Jr
8 Judah Mintz
9 Trey Alexander
10 Terquavion Smith
side note: there is so much SG talent, and as you can see i tiered them but had trouble in a good way ranking them within the tiers - will yall help me out plz.
also, although i listed 60 ive only reviewed right above that many as i was getting the names from other mocks, so if someone has been focusing on the end of the draft or possible undrafted lists, please share!
1 C Victor Wembanyama (7 1/2 ' Durant)
2 SF Brandon Miller (heavier T-mac lite)
3 PG Scoot Henderson (better Westbrook)
4 PF Jarace Walker (shorter but stronger & more athletic Pascal)
5 PG Anthony Black (LaMelo with Josh Giddey's brain and better on D than both)
6 SG Ausar Thompson (Jaylen Brown)
7 SF Bilal Coulibaly (Giannis lite/Mikal Bridges)
8 SG Sidy Cissoko (Jimmy Butler lite/Draymond lite-lite)
9 SG Jordan Hawkins (Ray Allen)
10 SF Jett Howard (Klay minus the defense)
11 PG Cason Wallace (Jrue)
12 PG Amen Thompson (faster Scottie Barnes/Jalen Green)
13 SG Keyonte George (bigger better defending more athletic CJ)
14 PF Taylor Hendricks (PF version of Bam + JJJ's or Jonathan Issac's perimeter D)
15 PG Jalen Hood-Schifino (Shaun Livingston with Mike Conley's brain)
16 PF Trayce Jackson-Davis (Sabonis but a much better defender)
17 SF Cam Whitmore (Iggy)
18 PF Kris Murray (lil smaller Keegan Murray)
19 SF Gradey Dick (Kevin Huerter+)
20 PF GG Jackson (quicker Julius Randle)
21 SG/PG Kobe Bufkin (bigger stronger Darius Garland but gets less separation and slightly less skilled)
22 SF Rayan Rupert (Nic Batum++)
23 PF Brice Sensabaugh (Paul Pierce lite)
24 SG Brandin Podziemski (Donte DiVincenzo)
25 SF Jalen Slawson (off-ball Cade lite)
26 PF Leonard Miller (quicker JJJ lite, minus the 3 [smaller Hendricks])
27 C James Nnaji (Jalen Duren)
28 C Adem Bona (Clint Capela)
29 SF Maxwell Lewis (raw Brandon Ingram from small school)
30 SG Colby Jones (Derrick White)
31 SF Jordan Walsh (Richard Jefferson)
32 SG Nikola Durisic (Bogdonovic+/Luka - -)
33 SG Amari Bailey (Jordan Poole)
34 PF Noah Clowney (Bobby Portis Jr.)
35 C Daron Holmes (Kevon Looney)
36 C Derreck Lively (Javale McGee)
37 SG Ricky Council IV (Mikal Bridges' Offense minus the shooting)
38 PF Mojave King (Brandon Clarke)
39 PG Marcus Sasser (Terry Rozier)
40 SG Seth Lundy (Brogdon lite/ Seth Curry)
41 PF/C Bobi Klintman (Christian Wood)
42 SF Dariq Whitehead (Tyreke but worse handles, much better D, young injured project, high potential)
43 SG Ben Sheppard (RJ Barrett lite)
44 SG Jordan Miller (JR Smith)
45 SF Jalen Bridges (bigger better defending Naji Marshall)
46 SF Julian Strawther (smaller slightly quicker Tobias Harris)
47 C Tristan Vukcevic (extremely raw shorter
Porzingis)
48 PF Adama Sanogo (Paul Milsap lite)
49 PF Olivier Maxence-Prosper (smaller quicker Naz Reid )
50 SF Kobe Brown (Huge very raw but good IQ, all around)
51 PF Mouhamad Geuye (project w/ good IQ, good athlete and versatile offensive aptitude, very raw)
52 SF Jaime Jaquez Jr. (Greivis Vasquez)
53 PG Mike Miles Jr. (Davion Mitchell lite)
54 SG Keyonte Johnson
55 PG Judah Mintz (Rondo lite lite minus?)
56 SG Jalen Wilson (bigger slower Will Barton but worse passer & handles)
57 G/F Emoni Bates (Kevin Porter Jr.)
58 SF Dillon Mitchell (Kevin Knox+)
59 PG Trey Alexander (Devonte Graham)
60 PG Terquavion Smith (Bones Hyland)
C
1 Victor Wembanyama
2 James Nnaji
Adem Bona
Daron Holmes
5 Dereck Lively
6 Bobi Klintman
7 Tristan Vukcevic (potential to move up a group)
PF
1A Jarace Walker
1B Taylor Hendricks
2A Trayce Jackson-Davis
2B Kris Murray
2C Leornard Miller
6 GG Jackson
7 Brice Sensabaugh
8 Noah Clowney
9 Bobi Klintman
10 Adama Sanogo
11 Olivier Maxence-Prosper
12 Mouhamad Geuye
SF
1 Brandon Miller
2 Bilal Coulibaly
3 Jett Howard
5 Cam Whitmore
7 Gradey Dick
8 Rayan Rupert
9 Jalen Slawson
10 Maxwell Lewis
11 Jordan Walsh
12 Dariq Whitehead
13 Jalen Bridges
14 Julian Strawther
15 Kobe Brown
16 Jaime Jaquez Jr
17 Emoni Bates
18 Dillon Mitchell
SG
Jordan Hawkins
Ausar Thompson
Sidy Cissoko
Keyonte George
Kobe Bufkin
Brandin Podziemski
Colby Jones
Jordan Walsh
Nikola Durisic
Amari Bailey
Ricky Council IV
Seth Lundy
Ben Sheppard
Jordan Miller
14 Keyonte Johnson
15 Jalen Wilson
PG
1A Scoot Henderson
1B Anthony Black
2A Cason Wallace
2B Amen Thompson
2C Jalen Hood-Schifino
6 Marcus Sasser
7 Mike Miles Jr
8 Judah Mintz
9 Trey Alexander
10 Terquavion Smith
side note: there is so much SG talent, and as you can see i tiered them but had trouble in a good way ranking them within the tiers - will yall help me out plz.
also, although i listed 60 ive only reviewed right above that many as i was getting the names from other mocks, so if someone has been focusing on the end of the draft or possible undrafted lists, please share!
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Posted on 5/21/23 at 11:35 am to NannerB_EazyPellyBoi
This is awesome and you clearly put alot of time and thought into it.
We have young talent and the difference makers will be gone by the time we draft. I still think we’d be better off trading the pick for someone who can help now. But if we draft, I think it’s a good opportunity for front court depth. Guys like Nandi, Lively and Clowney have a chance to be decent rotational bigs and will be available late in the first round. My thought is trade back, get a first round pick, and draft a big. Then use that extra pick to get more depth in the front court since we can’t depend on Zion. All this is much easier said than done though.
We have young talent and the difference makers will be gone by the time we draft. I still think we’d be better off trading the pick for someone who can help now. But if we draft, I think it’s a good opportunity for front court depth. Guys like Nandi, Lively and Clowney have a chance to be decent rotational bigs and will be available late in the first round. My thought is trade back, get a first round pick, and draft a big. Then use that extra pick to get more depth in the front court since we can’t depend on Zion. All this is much easier said than done though.
Posted on 5/21/23 at 12:08 pm to NannerB_EazyPellyBoi
These comps are projecting the greatest class of all time, by far
Posted on 5/21/23 at 12:19 pm to saintslsupels
Respectfully disagree that there won't be players worth drafting at 14, or even if we trade back as you suggested, and im not someone who values a project. I'm not really a fan of our young talent over a lot of this draft other than Murphy and Herb. Guys like Naji Kira and Jaxson,even Jose and Dyson are inferior imo to a lot of the draft and definitely the nba field. i dont think we should even be picking up Kira's option or tendering/matching an offer to Jax, for example. But if its bigs you like, that 2nd Tier of PFs is really where the money is, lot to love there with Trayce Jackson-Davis being my favorite, also Kris Murray and GG Jackson. For Centers can't go wrong with that 2nd tier either: James Nnaji, Adem Bona, Daron Holmes, and Dereck Lively. A few of those will be there in the 2nd no doubt
This post was edited on 5/21/23 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 5/21/23 at 12:21 pm to LSU4ever2002
really going for strengths and style of play, dont mean to project the same impact in the league as the comp; too many variables and mental makeup differences and stuff. I'd never claim all these guys are gonna hit
This post was edited on 5/21/23 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 5/21/23 at 1:52 pm to NannerB_EazyPellyBoi
great work.
rivals the great preseason football analysis we get.
if your comps are close for the top 14 it will be the greatest class ever.
rivals the great preseason football analysis we get.
if your comps are close for the top 14 it will be the greatest class ever.
Posted on 5/21/23 at 2:01 pm to NannerB_EazyPellyBoi
I'm still on the Gradey Dick train.
I saw too many games with Zion & BI out, and Trey having a cold 1st half, that I wished the Pels had another 3 pt scorer to quickly get us back in the game.
I saw too many games with Zion & BI out, and Trey having a cold 1st half, that I wished the Pels had another 3 pt scorer to quickly get us back in the game.
Posted on 5/21/23 at 9:40 pm to LSUFreek
Great job! I don’t know much about the draft but is this a good draft? Also, how deep is the draft in terms of talent and depth?
Posted on 5/21/23 at 10:00 pm to NannerB_EazyPellyBoi
I think comps are fine in general to get a sense of what a player is like. But taking to that next step, for example..
That just seems a bit extra.
Are you really this low on Amen? Almost every mock I'm seeing him in has him at #4..
quote:
PG Scoot Henderson (better Westbrook)
That just seems a bit extra.
quote:
12 PG Amen Thompson (faster Scottie Barnes/Jalen Green)
Are you really this low on Amen? Almost every mock I'm seeing him in has him at #4..
Posted on 5/21/23 at 10:05 pm to Mad Scientist26
thanks, personally i think there are about 45 players i'd put a 1st round grade on, over a handful being projects that may be less enticing than the rest for that reason. The rest of the bunch seem like standard 2nd rounders,role players, some with a little potential
Posted on 5/21/23 at 10:17 pm to brmark70816
I wouldn't say im low on Amen, just higher on those other guys, but i did notice i differed heavily there from other mocks. I like Ausar better for instance because though he has less skill and playmaking on the ball than Amen, he is the more savvy well rounded contributor off ball and defensively and the better shooter i think, and still has great playmaking, just makes the simple play. You can't go wrong either way, right? i just prefer the less ball dominant player in todays NBA i guess.I compared Ausar to Jalen Brown who i think is a force making simple plays,I think Amen would be more prone to dazzling but less efficient play
Posted on 5/21/23 at 10:31 pm to NannerB_EazyPellyBoi
I appreciate the work you obviously put into this.
I do have a question in particular about Scoot
What makes him more of a Westbrook comp than a Dennis Smith Jr comp?
Admittedly I haven’t seen him play (much); but his numbers and Efficiency are a bit concerning in the g league. He’s got nba fringe journeymen outperforming him numbers wise by a pretty large margin.
Not trying to be disrespectful bc I haven’t done my deep dive on the Scoot film or this draft class yet. And when I do, I tend to focus on International and college prospects. I find the G League/Overtime elite scenes hard to get a read on bc it largely feels like playground style basketball.
I do have a question in particular about Scoot
What makes him more of a Westbrook comp than a Dennis Smith Jr comp?
Admittedly I haven’t seen him play (much); but his numbers and Efficiency are a bit concerning in the g league. He’s got nba fringe journeymen outperforming him numbers wise by a pretty large margin.
Not trying to be disrespectful bc I haven’t done my deep dive on the Scoot film or this draft class yet. And when I do, I tend to focus on International and college prospects. I find the G League/Overtime elite scenes hard to get a read on bc it largely feels like playground style basketball.
Posted on 5/21/23 at 10:47 pm to 3PieceSpicy
I share your concern somewhat about Scoot, but there is a lot that jumps out that you can't teach to me as well. He has great vision for one, great at creating for others. He is big and gets downhill but is very fluid, he maintains vision and drives with purpose, great at drop offs, awesome at anything change of pace. The things he's not that good at yet you can get better at over time, i think. There is an element of some potential once better at those things that moves him up a couple spots over some solid contributors imo, but i admittedly rather take complete players now, which is why i wouldnt be as excited taking him as a few others personally, but it may be one of those things where you have to do it. Luckily we won't have that problem lol
Posted on 5/21/23 at 10:52 pm to NannerB_EazyPellyBoi
Would you trade BI for Scoot, Sharpe, and Simons?
Posted on 5/21/23 at 11:30 pm to NannerB_EazyPellyBoi
Great job on this. Good to see someone else so high on Coulibaly and especially Cissoko. Although at 6'7 and strong, wide body, Cissoko is more of a SF/PF type. I'd be pumped if Pels drafted him as a wildcard upside swing.
Posted on 5/21/23 at 11:51 pm to NannerB_EazyPellyBoi
quote:
41 PF/C Bobi Klintman (Christian Wood)
We need to pick up this guy just to make the poster who was always starting threads about Christian Wood happy. Is that guy still around?
Posted on 5/21/23 at 11:57 pm to 3PieceSpicy
quote:scoot is good. Crazy athleticism, finishing around rim. Really good midrange p&r game, plays hard on D. He showed improvement with his perimeter shot. Plays with a ton of energy. The Westbrook comp is solid
Not trying to be disrespectful bc I haven’t done my deep dive on the Scoot film or this draft class yet.
Posted on 5/22/23 at 12:01 am to Honest Man
quote:
Would you trade BI for Scoot, Sharpe, and Simons?
Better question-will scoot sharpe and simons give you money when approach them at the Alario Center begging for loose change?
Posted on 5/22/23 at 1:16 am to Honest Man
quote:better question is what would you do with Simons
Would you trade BI for Scoot, Sharpe, and Simons?
Posted on 5/22/23 at 8:48 am to LSUFreek
quote:
I'm still on the Gradey Dick train.
His combine was concerning for a lottery pick, specifically the combination of short arms (he has good height but his standing reach doesn’t match), and lack of vertical.
He did have a good shuttle, but that lack of length/vertical will limit him to being a catch and shoot guy, with minus defense. That’s not a combo that screams lottery pick to me.
After the combine I still like Kris Murray, his 8’10” standing reach is solid for a PF, particularly a shooter, and his frame should allow him to fill out as well.
Leonard Miller did well IMO, he isn’t quite as big as listed, but he has good length and showed his athleticism. His size/skill combo is nice.
Oscar Tschibwe was longer than I expected, as was Kobe Brown. Really like Kobe Brown’s development…improved a ton, turned into a 40%+ outside shooter, while maintaining his physical presence on the court. Another guy that could be a below the rim banging 4/5 that keeps the floor spaced.
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