re: Are We Still Bashing Jrue?

Show your work kid.

What stretches are you pulling that from. And so far you found 2 2 game stretches focusing just on points across roughly 76 games and one 3 game stretch. Which if they are the ones i suspect also featured some 14-16 rebound games. Including a bunch of offensive boards.

Still, nothing like what I showed from Jrue in just the last ten games, where 5 of them were utterly awful. While being the third worst high usage starter(based on a minutes criteria and plus 20% usage) in the fourth all season in terms of TS% amongst 55 qualifying peers. Only above Josh Richardson and RJ Barrett.

Can’t back up your cherry picking when asked for receipts I see?

I mentioned Jrue is perhaps not an ideal fit long-term due to a number of factors, mostly timeline/financial obligations over the longer horizon, plus some on the court stuff like his crippling high variance from game to game and quarter to quarter.

I made an off hand comment that West is more of what you need in terms of output consistency from a second option.

Shel decided that in order to defend Jrue he would cherry pick aa narrow range of stats to drag down West in order to make Jrue look better in comparison. Somehow presuming if he can win that fight he somehow disproved Jrue isn’t problematically high variance? Makes no sense to me either. I asked for receipts and he pouted off

As I mentioned to ATL, I think there are certainly pathways where it makes sense to recommit, but realistically I see them as unlikely, and less desirable when analyzing the possible opportunity costs.

And I am glad I am not sounding crazy here, West almost always found a way to be a positive offensive contributor every game. Even if his shot wasn’t falling he would be grabbing boards offensively and defensively to get the offense moving, setting great screens, or moving the ball as a hockey assist man from the elbow. He rarely lost you games or made critical errors.

Now if you push me, West was better suited as the perfect third option, but I think it is silly to claim Jrue is somehow equally consistent on that side of the ball.

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Which if they are the ones i suspect also featured some 14-16 rebound games

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This right here point blank shows your bias.

West has a bad shooting night, you say, well he grabbed a bunch of rebounds.

When Jrue has a bad night, you completely ignore that he can guard 1 through 4 at an elite level.

Tell me how that does NOT show how biased you are. You're propping up grabbing rebounds as more important than elite level defense.

You would concede that flaw in your argument, correct?

Also funny that you shite on game score with a reason I can only presume you made up because you didn't give any objective data to back it up, saying Jrue had an advantage because he was a guard, West a forward. You're now contradicting yourself because you said when West had a bad shooting night, he could grab some rebounds, that props up his game score. When Jrue has a bad shooting night, he can play elite level on ball defense guarding whoever needs to be guarded from the other team, that does nothing for his game score. You would concede that contradiction on your part, correct?



Don't ask me to go and find stats again, i've done it twice, I think we can close the book on that now.

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When Jrue has a bad night, you completely ignore that he can guard 1 through 4 at an elite level.

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I’ve never ignored that, cant say how many times I have said he is a model of defensive consistency these days. But boards are as much about offense as defense in basketball as they end possessions and start your offense, or prolong if on the offensive glass.

I asked you to show me the receipts so we can examine, you have so far refused. Got childish and pouted off.

You have also all but ignored component two of my argument which is around his quarter to quarter variance culminating in the third worst in the league in terms of fourth quarter TS% based on a the broad criteria I laid out. Jrue, to put it mildly, is terrible on offense when it matters most, which is in the critical fourth quarter of games. So even in his good games his quarter to quarter variance makes him more of a three quarter player. though if you really want to drill down, only his second quarter this season has been really good and does the heavy lifting for what is honestly poor offensive output much of the rest of the game, skewed worse toward the end.

I am.

He’s just too goddamned inconsistent. He was trash tonight.

Personally I’d prefer a player that is just consistently good, and not spectacular in some and trash in others.

Do you see jrue as a top 25player?

How often does he dribble the ball off his own leg or foot. Its a given twice a game. I don’t get it.