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re: Anyone else think this team isn't going anywhere
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:40 pm to ShamelessPel
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:40 pm to ShamelessPel
quote:If Cousins and Boogie wins 36 games, it's time to trade both and blow it up, no question.
I’d rather Cousins not leave because we missed the playoffs and won 36 games.
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Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:46 pm to shel311
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If Cousins and Boogie wins 36 games, it's time to trade both and blow it up, no question
So for the sake of argument, if they’re able to maintain averaging 57 and 22 the whole season on efficient shooting, you blow that duo up because Demps can’t put a supporting cast around them? How many duos around the league could win with this shitpile around them?
If Davis leaves as well, I don’t know how you sell basketball to this city. I’m a STH and I’d say eff this I’m out. You can’t possibly keep expecting franchise cornerstones to land in your lap and we’d have blown two.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:47 pm to Lester Earl
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And an unfathomable 8 mother fricking turnovers
If everyone else, nay, if ANYONE else had played a good game then we could blame this on boogie. We got 25 points outside of our "Big 3". The entire team outside of Boogie was 3/21 on 3's. But yea those 8 turnovers are certainly the entire reason we lost. Piss off.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:49 pm to ShamelessPel
quote:100%
So for the sake of argument, if they’re able to maintain averaging 57 and 22 the whole season on efficient shooting
Name me all the great duos(assuming health) who play an entire season and win 36 games.
If they win 36 games, it means those 2 just aren't THAT good.
quote:That'd be the reason why they keep him, and i get that, can't really argue it. But from a basketball standpoint, if AD is a top 5 ish player and has Boogie alongside him and we can't crack 40 wins, then I absolutely don't think AD is the great player we(myself included) is the dude we thought he was.
If Davis leaves as well, I don’t know how you sell basketball to this city. I’m a STH and I’d say eff this I’m out. You can’t possibly keep expecting franchise cornerstones to land in your lap and we’d have blown two.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:53 pm to Lester Earl
Dude. Boogie is pretty much the furthest thing from a problem for this team. You focusing on him with the shite sandwich is bizarre.
Anyway.
Give this team 5 games with Rondo. If they still suck, you have to fire Gentry and Dell, maybe have Ferry as a temp GM. Erman or Finch as HC for the rest of the way.
Anyway.
Give this team 5 games with Rondo. If they still suck, you have to fire Gentry and Dell, maybe have Ferry as a temp GM. Erman or Finch as HC for the rest of the way.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:53 pm to Not Cooper
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everyone else, nay, if ANYONE else had played a good game then we could blame this on boogie. We got 25 points outside of our "Big 3". The entire team outside of Boogie was 3/21 on 3's. But yea those 8 turnovers are certainly the entire reason we lost. Piss off.
lol the rest of our team sucks. I don't expect them to ever do anything.
Whether you like it or not Boogie has to be near perfect night in night out. Ya bro sorry dante Cunningham or 36 yr old Jameer or Darius Miller couldn't pick up the slack
Posted on 11/1/17 at 10:02 pm to Lester Earl
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Whether you like it or not Boogie has to be near perfect night in night out
So he plays a 90/100 and you'll blame him for not being a 100.
The team as constructed sucks arse. Why? Because we're spending 15m on dead bench weight, 25m for a 15m guard, and unfortunately everyone else who's paid a decent contract don't have a high potential to get better.
Money wise, Gordon, Rubio, and Ennis would be substantially better than holiday.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 10:04 pm to JayWalkTiger
Too many turnovers and poor shot selection will give you this result. Where has the ball movement been from the Cavs game?
Posted on 11/1/17 at 10:08 pm to htran90
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So he plays a 90/100 and you'll blame him for not being a 100.
It's even more magnified in a close game.
Then even more so considering the roster construction.
He was more like an 80 tonight. Team was -8 with him on court
Posted on 11/1/17 at 10:19 pm to Lester Earl
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It's even more magnified in a close game.
Then even more so considering the roster construction.
He was more like an 80 tonight. Team was -8 with him on court
Dude you’re really turning out to be quite the dumbass lately. Who between Davis and Cousins plays almost exclusively with the bench scrubs to start the 2nd and 4th I wonder? Box score +/- is the go to now I guess. Forget all the other metrics that actually measure quality more in depth. Lester Earl has it figured out guys. Box Plus Minus and turnovers are the only metrics we need.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 10:28 pm to ShamelessPel
You're sitting here trying to discount 8 turnovers in what was a tie game with a minute left lol
You're becoming quite the boogie apologist
You're becoming quite the boogie apologist
Posted on 11/1/17 at 10:45 pm to Lester Earl
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You're sitting here trying to discount 8 turnovers in what was a tie game with a minute left lol
You're becoming quite the boogie apologist
One of the biggest issues with Boogie is the same thing that plagued him in Sacramento. Yes he makes about 2-3 dumb plays a game, and that will probably follow him anywhere he goes. However, just watch some of those sets. Defenders do not respect our role players. You can make the choice to sag off Cunningham, Allen, Moore, Jrue, Diallo, and AD( if he is planted at the three) and not worry about getting burned when Cousins drives and doubling or tripling him. If you had more reliable shooters one of two things happens many of those possessions: Cousins has a much cleaner lane to the hoop or he has an open shooter that can reliably hit down a shot.
If we had a stronger bench you wouldn't be asking Cousins to play 40 minutes a night, which he is not conditioned to do. Which would help reduce the late game fatigue mistakes.
With all that said, Cousins was the only reason we got the game as close as we did in the fourth. He was not the problem tonight. He didn't turn the ball over again inside the last 9 minutes. Contributed for 4 rebounds, 4 assists, 6-6FT, and 2 steals in that timespan.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:01 pm to bonhoeffer45
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With all that said, Cousins was the only reason we got the game as close as we did in the fourth. He was not the problem tonight. He didn't turn the ball over again inside the last 9 minutes. Contributed for 4 rebounds, 4 assists, 6-6FT, and 2 steals in that timespan.
I hate this idea in sports as if earlier in the game or seasons doesn't matter, as if game 6 of 82 means less than game 79 of 82. Or in this case that he is absolved from bad play because he played well down the stretch. They all count the same bubba
Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:12 pm to Lester Earl
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I hate this idea in sports as if earlier in the game or seasons doesn't matter, as if game 6 of 82 means less than game 79 of 82. Or in this case that he is absolved from bad play because he played well down the stretch. They all count the same bubba
So than take the whole as it is bubba. Including the surrounding context of our players.
Cousins played his best game when it mattered most, despite being forced into 40 minutes. No one is going to claim his 8 TOV weren't a problem. They were. But the context of his issues are magnified by the fact we have the 5th worst bench in the league. No true facilitator starting which forces Cousins into the third highest usage in the league and very little help around him most nights except AD.
He shot 50% from three on 10 3PA's, and accounted for 36% of all our team's points. Along with 69% TS%. Again, he is not the problem. The second least of them on this squad.
You have a weird hate fetish for Cousins and it makes you look silly around here because it paralyzes your ability to watch basketball above a 2nd grade level because you are just looking to bump threads the first time he has a bad game.
This post was edited on 11/1/17 at 11:18 pm
Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:24 pm to bonhoeffer45
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You have a weird hate fetish for Cousins and it makes you look silly around here because it paralyzes your ability to watch basketball above a 2nd grade level.
Says the guy that acts like only the last 9 minutes of the game were important
and you're gonna sit there and hurl insults like a clown. Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:36 pm to Lester Earl
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Says the guy that acts like only the last 9 minutes of the game were important and you're gonna sit there and hurl insults like a clown.
A majority of NBA games ultimately come down to how a team performs in the last quarter. If not crunch time.
With that said, I wouldn't and didn't ever claim the 8 turnovers weren't bad, or that the rest of the game didn't matter. But it is always telling how you zero in on whatever bad there is with Cousins and ignore the larger context. As if he is the reason we are losing games and not the reality which is he is a big part of why we aren't 1-7 right now. Why we even had a chance to win this game tonight and were able to make a run to get it close.
This post was edited on 11/1/17 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:37 pm to bonhoeffer45
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But it is always telling how you zero in on whatever bad there is with Cousins and ignore the larger context. As if he is the reason we are losing games and not the reality which is he is a big part of why we aren't 1-7 right now.
Like you’ve been doing with holiday ?
At least be fair in your criticisms
Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:49 pm to GynoSandberg
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Like you’ve been doing with holiday ?
At least be fair in your criticisms
I've been more than willing to praise Holiday when he deserves it. I have long had high hopes with Jrue and considered him the only player outside Davis I didn't want to lose before we acquired Cousins.
You should probably look at my post in his breakout game. He played great. Jrue's problem is what he has continued to exhibit and that is his Jekyl and Hyde issues. He had two great games and now has had two mediocre ones. Where he has largely disappeared offensively in the second half. He is far too high variance for what this team needs right now.
He started the night off solid, went 4-5 the first half, did a good job defensively, but than went 3-9 the second half and 0-1 and 0 points 1 assist and 1 turnover in the 4th quarter.
This post was edited on 11/1/17 at 11:52 pm
Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:57 pm to bonhoeffer45
I've praised Cousins when he played well. Selective reading on your part
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:07 am to Lester Earl
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I've praised Cousins when he played well. Selective reading on your part
Bro you were live blogging the World Series on this site, there is almost no way you can tell me you truly watched the game tonight.
Which probably explains your really superficial arguments today focusing only on the 8 turnovers. Almost like you just show up to troll when Cousins has a bad stat line you found when you checked the box score.
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