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re: And a pic taken by a hoe while Zion sleeps emerges
Posted on 6/9/23 at 9:02 am to 3PieceSpicy
Posted on 6/9/23 at 9:02 am to 3PieceSpicy
quote:This is why you absolutely don't even remotely think about the idea of trading him, fwiw.
Had the New Orleans Pelicans as the #1 seed halfway through the season, despite key injuries.
The odds of getting back a guy who can do just that are very slim, like getting a lottery ticket. That's a really bad idea for a franchise like New Orleans.
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 9:45 am to shel311
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The odds of getting back a guy who can do just that are very slim, like getting a lottery ticket. That's a really bad idea for a franchise like New Orleans.
Sure - but the more realistic outcome is what we've seen the past couple of years. Barely a playoff team, and only that because of the play-in game.
Otherwise, we're STILL a lottery team, because he's never going to play a full season anyway. And he's clearly got different priorities other than basketball.
You're looking at it from the ceiling perspective, I'm looking it from the floor perspective.
If we could get back this year's #3, Jerami Grant, Nassir Little and a future first (no idea if any of that works, salary-wise AND likely we could get way more), it probably raises our floor more than 20 games of Zion playing and 60 of him falling asleep on the bench would. We already know what that looks like.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 9:58 am to Sheep
quote:He already has
because he's never going to play a full season anyway
quote:No other elite NBA players have ever liked sex!!!
And he's clearly got different priorities other than basketball.
quote:That's my exact point. If you're a franchise like New Orleans, you should ALWAYS view everything from a ceiling perspective. You're not the Lakers or Heat or whoever that can rely on getting a top 5 dude in free agency. If you have a guy with that type of potential, you don't trade him until you've exhausted every last possible outlet to succeed...and we haven't reached that point, given that he's like 22 years old or some shite.
You're looking at it from the ceiling perspective, I'm looking it from the floor perspective.
quote:Hard pass on just being an ok team, when you know you have a team that can be elite.
If we could get back this year's #3, Jerami Grant, Nassir Little and a future first (no idea if any of that works, salary-wise AND likely we could get way more), it probably raises our floor
Posted on 6/9/23 at 9:59 am to Sheep
Yea that's a terrible idea. Going backwards isn't the way.
Grant is a glorified stat padder who doesn't impact winning games as a top gyy and is also an expiring contract. Little isn't any good. And draft picks takes time to develop or busts. No thanks. I'm comfortable with what we have
Grant is a glorified stat padder who doesn't impact winning games as a top gyy and is also an expiring contract. Little isn't any good. And draft picks takes time to develop or busts. No thanks. I'm comfortable with what we have
Posted on 6/9/23 at 10:08 am to shel311
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He already has
You are a more patient man than I, Shel.
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And he's clearly got different priorities other than basketball.
No other elite NBA players have ever liked sex!!!
That lazy bum CJ is so focused on wine that he has his own vineyards and wine label. We aren't paying him over $30 million to do wine! Why can't CJ get his priorities straight?
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Hard pass on just being an ok team, when you know you have a team that can be elite.
Yeah, let's pass up a chance at a title and try to be the next Indiana Pacers and barely make the playoffs every year. The only thing that will be more annoying than all this crap is all the stupid "I'm sorry, Zion!" threads that will happen after he contends for MVP this season.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 10:10 am to GOP_Tiger
quote:FWIW, I think that's a positive trait for you and a negative trait of mine.
You are a more patient man than I, Shel.
quote:It's not my thing but I wish someone was taking names. Because if we do have a successful season and a little playoff success, all these same people will magically be the biggest Pels fans and knew all along how could we could be with Zion. Would be nice to send them some gentle reminders as needed
The only thing that will be more annoying than all this crap is all the stupid "I'm sorry, Zion!" threads that will happen after he contends for MVP this season.
This post was edited on 6/9/23 at 10:11 am
Posted on 6/9/23 at 10:14 am to duyp
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Guys like Magic
Well, there's one way to make sure that Zion loses weight.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 10:31 am to shel311
If we keep Zion. And he makes it through a full season and we get deep into the playoffs. I’ll own it.
It’s not as if I’m rooting against him or the team bc I want to be right about him never figuring it out or staying healthy.
I already consider myself to be wrong about him at this point as I was one of his biggest supporters and defenders for 3 years or so.
Just some of us have reached the end of our ropes in terms of expectations or beliefs. I personally have a pretty high belief in the rest of the team, especially if we got decent value back in a trade.
Miami is basically in the nba finals due to effort and culture.
Denver has exactly 2 consistent players on their team. Obviously we don’t have a Jokic, but we have a lot more depth imo. Obviously healthy Z and Ingram competes w this Denver team. But I also think a healthy Ingram and solid Z trade package competes with this Denver team as well.
It’s not as if I’m rooting against him or the team bc I want to be right about him never figuring it out or staying healthy.
I already consider myself to be wrong about him at this point as I was one of his biggest supporters and defenders for 3 years or so.
Just some of us have reached the end of our ropes in terms of expectations or beliefs. I personally have a pretty high belief in the rest of the team, especially if we got decent value back in a trade.
Miami is basically in the nba finals due to effort and culture.
Denver has exactly 2 consistent players on their team. Obviously we don’t have a Jokic, but we have a lot more depth imo. Obviously healthy Z and Ingram competes w this Denver team. But I also think a healthy Ingram and solid Z trade package competes with this Denver team as well.
This post was edited on 6/9/23 at 10:33 am
Posted on 6/9/23 at 10:40 am to 3PieceSpicy
quote:I hear you
If we keep Zion. And he makes it through a full season and we get deep into the playoffs. I’ll own it.
All I care about is winning a title. It's not that I have some crazy high confidence that Zion will play 60+ games ever year for the next 5 years. It's solely what gives my team a chance to win a title.
Even if Zion only gets to 60 games and healthy for a postseason once or twice in the next 5 seasons, that's 1 or 2 seasons where IMO our chances for postseason success will be higher than any alternative scenario where we trade Zion.
quote:A high belief for the team to do what exactly? Surely, not be remotely a contender.
personally have a pretty high belief in the rest of the team, especially if we got decent value back in a trade.
quote:Wait, what?
But I also think a healthy Ingram and solid Z trade package competes with this Denver team as well.
If that trade package isn't returning a top 10 NBA player, we're not sniffing anything close to Denver.
There's only 1 team in the past, what 40 years or maybe more, that has won a title team without a bonafide top 10 NBA player on their team. Why would you possibly think we can compete with a team that will likely be the NBA Champions without 1 of those?
This post was edited on 6/9/23 at 10:40 am
Posted on 6/9/23 at 10:54 am to supe12sta12z
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When the mount Zion tattoo wasn't a good idea.
It’s pretty fitting that he mounts anything split in between the legs.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 12:06 pm to Fun Bunch
Zion is giving new meaning to "load management"... gotta give him that much, i guess 
Posted on 6/9/23 at 12:25 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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As down as I am on Zion, I actually disagree that he can’t be traded for anything of value this offseason
I think we are probably disagreeing on what “value” is. I’m not saying he’s literally un-tradeable. I’m saying the return isn’t enough to do it.
For example. To quantify his value, If we were going to trade him for a draft picks what would we be able to get.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 12:36 pm to shel311
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Don't really agree but even if that is true, there is nothing that happened in the last 48 hours that has anything to do with that assertion.
The reality of said assertion has become clear in the last few days.
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If he starts the 1st 10 games of the year and plays his normal game, he'll get every last bit of that value back immediately.
I don’t think so. But that MAY be the path out if this. I don’t think he’s capable of truly changing. But he may be capable of short term success allowing us to gracefully exit.
quote:
When you say it's all so clear "now," what is the timeframe on that? Surely, you're not saying you NOW realize his upside is limited because he bangs IG hoes?
I’m saying that the peek into his personal life explains EVERYTHING we’ve seen from him since he’s been here that people hoped were just speed bumps toward professionalism. It explains the mindset of a guy who has disappeared multiple times.
He’s an absolute mess. His priorities are way off. His self control is non existent. And he doesn't even seem to have the self preservation instinct.
And I don’t think this is an important point but I’ll be damned if the fricker isn’t even lazy pulling women. Paying for these low rent women? Pathetic.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 12:41 pm to moneyg
JJ Redick paid a random chick to have an abortion. Paul George cheated on his girlfriend who happened to be a coach’s daughter with a stripper.
The entire Phoenix Suns team got sucked off at a party by an OnlyFans model.
All these dudes frick pornstars and whores on the reg.
I’m not condoning the behavior but Zion isn’t unique in the nba he is likely the norm.
The entire Phoenix Suns team got sucked off at a party by an OnlyFans model.
All these dudes frick pornstars and whores on the reg.
I’m not condoning the behavior but Zion isn’t unique in the nba he is likely the norm.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 12:45 pm to moneyg
quote:The reality of what assertion? Nothing has changed in the past couple of days with Zion the basketball player.
The reality of said assertion has become clear in the last few days.
quote:Ok but he 100% would
I don’t think so
quote:If you've never met him and don't know him, then that really doesn't mean anything. It's just a hot take, nothing more.
I don’t think he’s capable of truly changing
Posted on 6/9/23 at 12:47 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Exactly
JJ Redick paid a random chick to have an abortion. Paul George cheated on his girlfriend who happened to be a coach’s daughter with a stripper.
The entire Phoenix Suns team got sucked off at a party by an OnlyFans model.
All these dudes frick pornstars and whores on the reg.
We either have dudes who are totally new to this and just finding out how these athletes operate, or it's just very emotional takes right now. I'd assume it's the latter.
quote:And most importantly, it doesn't matter to Zion the basketball player who plays for the Pelicans. None of it matters at all.
I’m not condoning the behavior but Zion isn’t unique in the nba he is likely the norm
As I'll keep saying, the only remotely relevant thing we've learned about Zion the Pels player these past 2 days is that he appears to be in the best shape he's been in since preseason rookie Zion.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 1:19 pm to moneyg
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I’m saying the return isn’t enough to do it.
what's his value if he misses 50+ games again, this season, with an injury?
his value, while not as high as we'd like, is still there going into this season... if he's injured again, he has ZERO value to another team, and we are stuck, vs. getting at least something for him now...
and we have ZERO reason to believe "this is the season" he stays healthy... given the history, and evidence we have, of his career, thus far, there is literally NO reason to think he will play a full season, missing zero to minimal time...
Posted on 6/9/23 at 1:24 pm to chRxis
He's our best chance to a title, no doubt.
Trading him gets you farther, not closer to a title.
Trading him gets you farther, not closer to a title.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 1:26 pm to chRxis
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there is literally NO reason to think he will play a full season, missing zero to minimal time...
The 61 games he played under SVG is good enough for me.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 1:28 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:Correct
The 61 games he played under SVG is good enough for me.
He has done it before so there is literally a reason to think he can play a full season missing minimal time.
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