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NOFOX
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re: After 3 Dozen Games
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Because just like Kushner said in his article, the team is selling 2 superstars in their prime and people expect more than .500 ball from that.




Optimistic fans hoped for more (as did I), but considering the Vegas totals everyone should have expected the most likely outcome to be right around .500. Like you said in another thread, it is the inconsistency (losing to bad teams and blowing big leads) that has fans all riled up.

If we were .500, but had lost to SA, CLE, OKC instead of DAL, NYK, and SAC, combined with never getting up big in those games we gave away (GSW, DEN), but instead just losing in normal fashion, trailing most of the game, what would the perception of this team be here?


TeddyPadillac
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re: After 3 Dozen Games
Every good team loses to teams they shouldn't. shite happens.

Losing a game after 3 days rest to a team that is playing on the 2nd night of a back to back, on the road, that went into overtime and made them arrive at 2am the night before, and it's a team you're vying for with playoff seeding, is inexcusable. It was as if we were the tired team in that Minny game.

Losing a game to a nuggets team that you are vying for playoff seeding with after having a double digit lead midway through the 4th, is inexcusable.

Losing to a utah team that was without it's two best players, on a back to back, and you had a 6 point lead with 4 minutes left, and let a rookie absolutely destroy you, is inexcusable.

Losing 2 games in a row, after winning 3 in a row and looking great, at home, to two teams that were a combined 5-26 on the road thus far, and you had a 9 point lead with 3 minutes left in one of them, is inexcusable.

Losing at home to a shitty kings team when you had a 9 point lead with 3:30 left in the game, is inexcusable.


I'm tired of the excuses, well when we played Memphis they were hot, when we played Orlando they were hot, when we played Dallas they were hot, when we played Utah they were hot. Who cares if they are hot, you are better than them. Why are we never hot? We have two 3 game winning streak this season. Ended one with a loss to the Warriors, and the other at home against a bottom 5 team in the league.
Twice we've lost this year b/c a rookie took over the game late after we had a lead. Twice.

The only game i could find all year where we had a late defecit and came back was being down 4 to Atlanta with 2 minutes left, the worst team in the league, and at home.
Every game we've won this year, we either won comfortably, or were never done by more than 2 with less than 2 minutes left, except that Atlanta game.
Why is that we can give up leads late and let teams steal games from us, but we never do that to anyone?
It's b/c we have no closer and our coach usually draws up really stupid plays. I'll give him the last shot in the last game, Either open shot for Miller or AD, AD just missed it. Well designed play and ran it well. That's not the norm though.


TigerinATL
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re: After 3 Dozen Games
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I'm tired of the excuses


I don't think most people saying the team is where they expected are excusing anything, they just assumed problems with coaching and roster construction before the season started. Remember the experts were all picking the Pels on the outside looking in before the season started. Making the playoffs by default shouldn't be enough to save Demps/Gentry after what AD told Woj. That was a warning shot to the organization, I just wish he had given the interview to Schefter instead so Loomis would see it.
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TeddyPadillac
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re: After 3 Dozen Games
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I don't think most people saying the team is where they expected are excusing anything,


Those are my excuses.
It does suck that we had to play Memphis and Orlando early when they both started the season on fire.

And i put zero stock in where the national media thought this team would finish. They want us to fail, so AD can get traded.


PelicansBay
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NOFOX
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re: After 3 Dozen Games
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And i put zero stock in where the national media thought this team would finish. They want us to fail, so AD can get traded.


I put zero stock in where the national media had us also, but I put a LOT of stock in where the professionals had us. We had a 39.5 projected win total to start the season. Expecting us to be well over .500 was/is wishful thinking considering the vegas line.

Maybe due to the raw talent of our big 3 we should be better, but maybe we are just a top heavy team with flawed stars. Perhaps Solo's return will bolster the defense and we can start winning more than losing, but as constructed this is not a 50 win team.


PelicansBay
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Member since Jun 2017
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re: After 3 Dozen Games
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Maybe due to the raw talent of our big 3 we should be better, but maybe we are just a top heavy team with flawed stars. Perhaps Solo's return will bolster the defense and we can start winning more than losing, but as constructed this is not a 50 win team.


I think we are a top heavy team, our roster has flaws. I think we are 2 players away from being a legit threat. We have had a few tough losses, and have won a few games we shouldn't have. There is going to be inconsistencies from a tired roster, our players are overextended. Hill will help balance things. I think our current record is indicative of our roster.

We are deficient in two areas most successful rosters have. We need a third guard that can facilitate, while being a scoring threat. Look at the successful teams, they have a sniper 6th man. We don't have a player like: Gordon, Jamal Crawford, Napier, Barton. We have Nelson in this role, that's why I want this team to add a player like Lou Williams or Tyreke.

The second area we are deficient in is A backup big with a pulse. There is a huge drop-off, once AD or Boogie goes to the bench. We don't have a player like: Patterson, Lyles, Dieng, Gay. We have Cunningham. This is why I want Mirotic.

All of the players I named are on teams that rank higher than us in the West standings. We need to add these type players, go to the playoffs, and re-sign Boogie. This isn't the time to burn everything down, coach is doing his job.
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TigerinATL
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re: After 3 Dozen Games
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We need a third guard that can facilitate, while being a scoring threat. Look at the successful teams, they have a sniper 6th man. We don't have a player like: Gordon, Jamal Crawford, Napier, Barton. We have Nelson in this role, that's why I want this team to add a player like Lou Williams or Tyreke.


It really is unfortunate that Hill probably won't come back until after the trade deadline. It'd be nice to see how he fits and changes your needs. He might lessen both the need for guard by shifting Moore's minutes from SF to SG and he also might lessen the need for a backup big by playing PF next to Miller or Cunningham.


PelicansBay
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Member since Jun 2017
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It really is unfortunate that Hill probably won't come back until after the trade deadline. It'd be nice to see how he fits and changes your needs. He might lessen both the need for guard by shifting Moore's minutes from SF to SG and he also might lessen the need for a backup big by playing PF next to Miller or Cunningham.


Hill will definitely help, but he won't remedy everything. I didn't mention the Pels need for a perimeter defender or length on the wings; this is where Solo will help. In theory, Moore can ease the need for a third guard; he has found his niche as a swing-man. I don't know if he'll be as effective off the bench, with more ball-handling duties.
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corndeaux
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We are deficient in two areas most successful rosters have


no impact players on the wing either. i like Hill. he's overpaid, but he's not a bad player at all. but he's not much of a difference maker on the wing. maybe that won't matter with Davis/Cousins.

ETA- whoops y'all got there. i just hadn't read that far yet


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The second area we are deficient in is A backup big with a pulse.


this to me is the biggest problem. they have 2, maybe 3 different teams. Davis+Cousins, Davis at the 5 alone, and Cousins at the 5 alone. each one has different strengths and needs, and they don't have the roster to pull it off.

you can't #doitbig with only 2 playable big men

a big that can do some facilitating and play some decent interior defense can keep system continuity. and he can help solve the attacking 3rd guard issue too.
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CelticDog
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re: After 3 Dozen Games
Any avg NBA player will have good games now and then.

Avg players can't do it every night.

I don't like any facet of the team play. That's on gentry and staff.

I'm waiting for 100% Hill playing 8 or 10 games before I judge.

Team owner is not ideal.

Enjoy the good days.
They have many limitations.

They can play better and still not make playoffs.

I feel for AD.

8th seed vs the mighty Bay Bombers.
Anything's possible.
Curry, green, kd, klay. The bar.

Observation above that there is not much bench was true day 1, as I pointed out.




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PrimeTime Money
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We sit at 18-18, the Pels currently are the 8th seed in the West. Before the season began, most of us would be happy with our record and standing at this point.
The Pels have the 5th highest payroll in the league and two star players. 18-18 is not even close to good enough.

The Pelicans were supposed to be one of the new hot teams of the future as AD turned into a superstar. Thanks to Dell Demps, that has never happened and they’ve just been spinning their wheels.

The bright future was squandered by Demps as he built bloated, craptastic rosters year after year.


TeddyPadillac
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The bright future was squandered by Demps as he built bloated, craptastic rosters year after year.



I do believe that we can make some very very big changes in the right direction over the next 15-18 months. The longer Asiks fettuccini arse is on this team, the more valuable his salary becomes.
Don't do anything stupid this offseason, DO NOT sign anyone to a multi year deal outside of Cousins, try to find the right trade this offseason for a starter, and if not, no big deal.
We will be fine going into next season with AD/Cousins/Jrue/Solo/Moore/Miller and whatever 1 year deals. At that trade deadline next season. Ajinca and Asik should be easy to move with picks for a good player.

I think we should be calling Charlotte and Orlando a lot before this trade deadline. Both of them are going no where and have players i'd love to get.
Kemba Walker for Asik/Diallo/1st works perfectly. I would absolutely love to have Kemba on this team with AD/Cousins/Jrue. Kemba only has next year left on his deal.
Batum will obviously be available, and i'm sure a guy like Marvin Williams could be had.
Fournier and Vucevic will be available.
The Bulls have Lopez and Mirotic that they would trade away for a pick.

There is still hope for this core group of players. Finish this season decently, show some promise in the playoff, resign Cousins, and be patient and pounce on a trade that can take you to another level. 15-18 months. If we can't get better in that time frame, something that can get us to be a top 4-5 seed in the west annually, then you might as well send the franchise to Seattle.


PelicansBay
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Member since Jun 2017
365 posts

re: After 3 Dozen Games
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I would absolutely love to have Kemba on this team with AD/Cousins/Jrue. Kemba only has next year left on his deal.


Add Kemba, the Pels are a legit contender; I doubt we have the assets to aquire him. We have the necessary combination of draft picks and young players (Jackson and Diallo) to pull a trade for Kemba; what we don't have is: a significant expiring contract to package with these assets.

Without Tyreke's expiring contract, the Pels wouldn't have been able to trade for Boogie. It only took Moose's expiring and picks to aquire Bledsoe. If we hope to package Asik and/or Ajinca with our assets, I think we need to lower our expectations as to the player we can get. If the hope is to upgrade PG, I think we could realistically trade for: Reggie Jackson, George Hill, Clarkson, Dragic, Lou Williams, Tyreke.


The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
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re: After 3 Dozen Games
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The Pels have the 5th highest payroll in the league and two star players. 18-18 is not even close to good enough.

The Pelicans were supposed to be one of the new hot teams of the future as AD turned into a superstar. Thanks to Dell Demps, that has never happened and they’ve just been spinning their wheels.

The bright future was squandered by Demps as he built bloated, craptastic rosters year after year.


AD is 24

and NO is 7th in salary
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TeddyPadillac
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re: After 3 Dozen Games
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It only took Moose's expiring and picks to aquire Bledsoe.


The expiring was a big one, but the picks aren't all that great.
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Milwaukee will send its 2018 first-round pick to Phoenix if it lands between Nos. 11 and 16. If the pick carries beyond 2018, the Suns get a loosening of protections in 2019 (Nos. 4 to 16), 2020 (Nos. 8 to 30) and 2021, when the pick would come unprotected. The Suns will get the Bucks' 2018 second-round pick if it lands between Nos. 48 and 60. Otherwise, the Bucks keep the pick.


As of right now, the Bucks are going to be picking after 20th, so they aren't giving up the pick this year, and likely aren't giving up the pick next year b/c i'm sure they will get better.
So they essentially traded an expiring, and a 2020 first round pick that likely will be in the 20-24 range at best, for 2 years of Eric Bledsoe.

I know the expiring is important, but we can at least offer a pick that can happen now, and a young player they can attempt to develop in Diallo.
The Hornets have $61M/yr tied up in 4 guys that aren't that good, Batum/Zeller/Marvin/Kidd-Gilchrist, and that's for 3 more years.
They picked 11th last year, are on pace for a top 10 pick this year after thinking they got better by getting Howard. Was Jeremy Lin that good that losing him made them go from 48 wins to 36, and now on pace for less than that?

I don't know what they are trying to do, but it isn't working and they are right up against the tax and they have minimal expiring deals right now, like $5M worth, so they can't add anything to this lottery team that is up against the tax. They have Dwight and Kemba's deals up next summer, which will be $35M, but they still won't have much cap space, and if they resign Kemba, then there all the money goes, for what, another lottery team with no cap space?

we might not be the team that can poach them to get something, but someone will, b/c they can't keep doing what they are doing. they need expiring's, but they need picks and youth more than anything to start over. I doubt Kemba is the guy they want to give up, but that's the guy I want.


TigerinATL
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re: After 3 Dozen Games
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I doubt Kemba is the guy they want to give up, but that's the guy I want.


He's their best player and if he brings in what Bledsoe brought in, an expiring and a future first, then there's probably more value in keeping Kemba. Teams are almost always reluctant to actually hit the reset button. Look at Portland. They had every excuse to tank and find more talent to put around Lillard after that Aldridge lead team disintegrated overnight. Now they are stuck with a bunch of bad contracts for not good players. Teams around the league do it all the time, I don't see why Charlotte will be any different.

The Pels probably need to be looking for a Kyle Lowry in Houston, or Eric Bledsoe in Los Angeles. A backup stuck in a log jam that's ready to be more than a backup. I've also wondered how Rubio would do since he's kind of like Rondo with better defense and FTs, but every time we've played him he hasn't looked like a player I'd make a move for.


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PelicansBay
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re: After 3 Dozen Games
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we might not be the team that can poach them to get something, but someone will, b/c they can't keep doing what they are doing. they need expiring's, but they need picks and youth more than anything to start over. I doubt Kemba is the guy they want to give up, but that's the guy I want.



I see why you want Kemba on this team. With him, the Pels would be the 2nd or 3rd best team in the West. They would have a legit Big 4. They could fill out the rest of the roster with Dell's minimum contract gems, draft picks, and aging vets (hunting for a ring). It would be nice:

PG- Kemba/ Rondo
SG- Jrue/ Moore
SF- Hill/ Miller
PF- Davis
C- Boogie

The Hornet's are in the same position with Kemba as the Kings were with Boogie, they have to decide if the's worth investing roughly $200 million in. Maybe they decide he isn't. The more likely scenario: Charlotte dumps Batum and gives Kemba the max. After this season, Batum is still owed $76,695,652 over the next 3 seasons.


TeddyPadillac
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re: After 3 Dozen Games
I think it's more likely they stick with Kemba, and look to get rid of their high dollar long contract role players.
Batum with 4 more years, although don't know who the hell wants that. He isn't worth it.
Marvin has 3 more years at $13. I'd take that.
Zeller has 4 more years at $13. I like Zeller, but i'm not paying another 5 that much money. If he could stretch the floor and hit 3's and be a back up big, maybe.
Kidd-Gilchrist for 3 more years at $13. Don't want him either b/c he can't shoot.


Maybe a change of scenery could help Batum, but his 3 point shooting has been steadily getting worse the last 3 years. he's at 30% this year.

All I know is the Hornets are in a pickle, just like the Blazers. The Blazers got rid of Crabbe, and probably still want to get rid of more players if they can.

An ideal scenario would be to trade Ajinca/Diallo for Marvin in the offseason, if we can do an uneven trade like that, but I doubt that's possible.




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