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AD Meeting Hypothetical- I want Ja
Posted on 5/27/19 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 5/27/19 at 1:05 pm
Let’s say that AD meets with David Griffin and agrees to sign the supermax right now, but under 1 condition. The condition being, the Pels draft Ja Morant Number 1 instead of Zion.
There are a few reasons why AD would make such a demand. Zion plays his preferred position. Zion is more marketable than AD and New Orleans Market isn’t big enough for the 2 of them. AD wants to be the clear face of the franchise.
If you take Morant, AD can continue to play PF/Small Ball center and he is still the brightest, most marketable star in New Orleans. Also, this would move Jrue off ball and it would still make sense to keep AD’s buddy Julius on the team.
The reason why I pose this question to this board is because it seems that there is a majority consensus that the best case scenario for this off-season is that AD signs his supermax because it is impossible to get equal value in a trade for a star.
If the Pels draft Morant to satisfy AD, does this change the AD supermax calculus for you?
In this hypothetical, if the Pels say frick that AD, AD leaves and the Pels let Randle walk and then the Pels ultimately have Zion, Jrue, cap space and whatever 75 cent on the dollar trade they get for AD.
Or the Pels agree with AD and you have a core team of Ja, Jrue, AD, and possibly Randle.
Which path do you prefer? I’m all for trading AD in either scenario, but the majority of the board seems to want to keep AD and I wanted to see if drafting Ja instead of Zion changes that viewpoint. If you think Ja is 90% of the basketball prospect Zion is, do you keep AD to prevent from doing the assumed 3 quarters for a dollar AD trade?
There are a few reasons why AD would make such a demand. Zion plays his preferred position. Zion is more marketable than AD and New Orleans Market isn’t big enough for the 2 of them. AD wants to be the clear face of the franchise.
If you take Morant, AD can continue to play PF/Small Ball center and he is still the brightest, most marketable star in New Orleans. Also, this would move Jrue off ball and it would still make sense to keep AD’s buddy Julius on the team.
The reason why I pose this question to this board is because it seems that there is a majority consensus that the best case scenario for this off-season is that AD signs his supermax because it is impossible to get equal value in a trade for a star.
If the Pels draft Morant to satisfy AD, does this change the AD supermax calculus for you?
In this hypothetical, if the Pels say frick that AD, AD leaves and the Pels let Randle walk and then the Pels ultimately have Zion, Jrue, cap space and whatever 75 cent on the dollar trade they get for AD.
Or the Pels agree with AD and you have a core team of Ja, Jrue, AD, and possibly Randle.
Which path do you prefer? I’m all for trading AD in either scenario, but the majority of the board seems to want to keep AD and I wanted to see if drafting Ja instead of Zion changes that viewpoint. If you think Ja is 90% of the basketball prospect Zion is, do you keep AD to prevent from doing the assumed 3 quarters for a dollar AD trade?
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Posted on 5/27/19 at 1:07 pm to TeachMeHowTaDante
Lol k bye
Posted on 5/27/19 at 1:15 pm to TeachMeHowTaDante
The problem with this extremely long OP is that it is not based in reality and has a 0% chance of happening and was a waste of time to read.
But since I did actually read it, tell AD to frick himself, trade him, and draft Zion.
But since I did actually read it, tell AD to frick himself, trade him, and draft Zion.
Posted on 5/27/19 at 1:22 pm to Retrograde
I mean I think it’s a waste of time to read about all the people that think that oft-injured AD accepting the supermax is the best case scenario for the off-season. All I did was change the calculus a bit to see if that would change people’s minds. Ja isn’t Zion, but he’s still an elite prospect and also his fit is technically better with Jrue and AD. Also, AD just made an unprecedented trade demand and he’s always been overly concerned about not playing full time Center. I don’t think this hypothetical is not much of a leap to make. This is exactly the type of thing the New Klutch Sports AD would request.
This post was edited on 5/27/19 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 5/27/19 at 1:30 pm to TeachMeHowTaDante
quote:
Let’s say that AD meets with David Griffin and agrees to sign the supermax right now, but under 1 condition. The condition being, the Pels draft Ja Morant Number 1 instead of Zion.
Kthxbai
Don’t let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.
Posted on 5/27/19 at 1:38 pm to TeachMeHowTaDante
Most people aren’t going to read past the part where you talked about AD saying the pelicans have to draft morant. Why would the pelicans let that moron tell them who they have to draft? Nothing he has done gives the pelicans faith that they should make decisions based off him staying.
Posted on 5/27/19 at 1:55 pm to TeachMeHowTaDante
Hypotheticall.. Hey AD fix your teef....
Posted on 5/27/19 at 2:02 pm to TeachMeHowTaDante
Why would you want to build around a superstar scared of Zion?
It would be a dilemma if it was trade Zion for another 2nd tier superstar or a superstar late in their career.
It would be a dilemma if it was trade Zion for another 2nd tier superstar or a superstar late in their career.
Posted on 5/27/19 at 2:03 pm to TeachMeHowTaDante
I think this is a valid question. If Davis stays, I'm sure he would want some measure of control and say in roster matters. Plus he will want to play a certain style and with particular players. But I very much believe the bridge is burned and its all about maximizing his value. So we have to paint him as someone people want, to get the best deal..
Posted on 5/27/19 at 2:09 pm to TeachMeHowTaDante
This is the problem with the pels talk. Dont know shite about nba basketball. AD and Zion play pf, but they fit together as bigs like pb and j/peas and carrots etc.
AD is the roll guy, and Zion is the handler. Zion can attack or drop it to AD and Zion’s a gifted passer. We literally did this with Cousins and AD already.
Zion also can guard 1-5 just like AD, and has the body mass to bang centers. AD prefers 4 especially on defense. Zion and AD fit perfectly on defense as well since Zion gives the pels the flexibility to let AD play pf on defense instead if Center, which AD would love. There isnt a big in the NBA that would give AD the freedom that Zion does. AD was forced to play center in our playoff run. Now he doesnt have to.
AD/Zion could have a situation where an NBA team has not only 1 but 2 dominant small ball 5’s with skill, and dominant rim protection.
AD should stay. Shittttttt.
AD is the roll guy, and Zion is the handler. Zion can attack or drop it to AD and Zion’s a gifted passer. We literally did this with Cousins and AD already.
Zion also can guard 1-5 just like AD, and has the body mass to bang centers. AD prefers 4 especially on defense. Zion and AD fit perfectly on defense as well since Zion gives the pels the flexibility to let AD play pf on defense instead if Center, which AD would love. There isnt a big in the NBA that would give AD the freedom that Zion does. AD was forced to play center in our playoff run. Now he doesnt have to.
AD/Zion could have a situation where an NBA team has not only 1 but 2 dominant small ball 5’s with skill, and dominant rim protection.
AD should stay. Shittttttt.
Posted on 5/27/19 at 2:41 pm to P bean
I get that. All those points are valid in terms of fit, but in this hypothetical and probably in reality AD probably thinks his buddy Randle can essentially play the same role as Zion (Zion is just a Rook) and Ja would give us guard depth, and also not threaten AD’s franchise player status as much as Zion would.
It seems like the consensus that I’ve uncovered in this thread that people don’t actually want AD back on the supermax unless Zion is here with him and I think that is a fundamentally flawed way to think. You either want to pay AD $50M and lock him up long-term or you don’t. That decision shouldn’t be tied into Zion or anything else. AD, the player, is not going to change whether he’s beside Zion, Ja, Lebron or Kawhi. He’s going to play 50 elite games a year, play 15 soft games, and sit out 17 games.
If that’s what you want, then Ja vs Zion shouldn’t matter if that’s what AD’s demand to sign long-term is. A lot of people are assuming that we are going to get a fully healthy and bought in AD just because we have Zion, but we have 7 years of history with AD that proves otherwise.
What would the conversation be if the Pels simply had won the 2nd pick instead of the 1st? Would people still be pushing super maxing AD as the best case scenario? Maybe that is a better way to frame the question instead of phrasing it as an ultimatum from AD to pass on Zion.
It seems like the consensus that I’ve uncovered in this thread that people don’t actually want AD back on the supermax unless Zion is here with him and I think that is a fundamentally flawed way to think. You either want to pay AD $50M and lock him up long-term or you don’t. That decision shouldn’t be tied into Zion or anything else. AD, the player, is not going to change whether he’s beside Zion, Ja, Lebron or Kawhi. He’s going to play 50 elite games a year, play 15 soft games, and sit out 17 games.
If that’s what you want, then Ja vs Zion shouldn’t matter if that’s what AD’s demand to sign long-term is. A lot of people are assuming that we are going to get a fully healthy and bought in AD just because we have Zion, but we have 7 years of history with AD that proves otherwise.
What would the conversation be if the Pels simply had won the 2nd pick instead of the 1st? Would people still be pushing super maxing AD as the best case scenario? Maybe that is a better way to frame the question instead of phrasing it as an ultimatum from AD to pass on Zion.
This post was edited on 5/27/19 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 5/27/19 at 2:55 pm to TeachMeHowTaDante
You still seem to be missing the point.
AD may be staying or may not. But laying an ultimatum in which we choose Ja over Zion means that he will be told to pack his shite and enjoy Phoenix.
The franchise is bigger than one player. We are not fricking the franchise long term for a guy who tried to quit in the middle of last season.
You can keep trying to justify it but any attempt of a power play like this will hasten his arse out the door.
AD may be staying or may not. But laying an ultimatum in which we choose Ja over Zion means that he will be told to pack his shite and enjoy Phoenix.
The franchise is bigger than one player. We are not fricking the franchise long term for a guy who tried to quit in the middle of last season.
You can keep trying to justify it but any attempt of a power play like this will hasten his arse out the door.
Posted on 5/27/19 at 3:06 pm to TeachMeHowTaDante
Hypothetical - aliens land and take over the planet - they destroy NY and LA and make New Orleans the new global capital of the alien empire. Our population grows to 20 million, making us the #1 market in sports. Does Ad sign supermax?
Posted on 5/27/19 at 3:44 pm to Epic Cajun
Stop with the childlike responses
Posted on 5/27/19 at 3:50 pm to Teyovesante45
Lol this post is great.
Posted on 5/27/19 at 3:56 pm to TeachMeHowTaDante
Randle is the worst defender in the nba.
Again, you are obviously clueless. Zion is in no way comparable to Randle as an all around player. They have a few similarities offensively, but not many. frick stop with this dumbass shite.
Basketball is more than what you think you know. Post less.
Again, you are obviously clueless. Zion is in no way comparable to Randle as an all around player. They have a few similarities offensively, but not many. frick stop with this dumbass shite.
Basketball is more than what you think you know. Post less.
Posted on 5/27/19 at 4:01 pm to TeachMeHowTaDante
Again not one but two RIM protecting small ball bigs like AD and Zion on one team is a tantalizing proposition.
Randle is not a small ball big that works in this mold he sucks on defense. He is better suited as a bench scorer/spot starter like a carl landry jason maxiel, etc.
Randle is not a small ball big that works in this mold he sucks on defense. He is better suited as a bench scorer/spot starter like a carl landry jason maxiel, etc.
Posted on 5/27/19 at 4:31 pm to TeachMeHowTaDante
Since we’re giving hypothetical proposals.....How about we just trade AD to the Grizzlies and draft Zion and Ja in consecutive picks? 
Posted on 5/27/19 at 4:34 pm to P bean
One way to think about another interesting scenario is that AD signs thesuprr max. We draft Zion at 1 and depending on if Ja falls to #3 in the case that Memphis takes Barrett at 2, then you could always trade at that point to NYK for more picks and some supporting talent. You coulda make the team deeper that way and the Knicks get the new face of their franchise.
That said, I would not agree to anything ahead of time or take Morant at 1 when you have value in that pick if Zion is who you choose or trade.
That said, I would not agree to anything ahead of time or take Morant at 1 when you have value in that pick if Zion is who you choose or trade.
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