re: A good end to Buddy month

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You fish for the comment then come back with a childish remark classic.

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You want one as well?

My point was about childish partisan treatment of rookie prospects, and the guy comes in making a stupid partisan comment....And you come in to stick up for it.

Truth be told the story on Hield vs Murray will be written 3-5 years from now. Its fine to take your side and support your opinion of future projection, we all have, its another to only take up the fight when the evidence is stacked to your side. Then disappear or refuse to acknowledge shifts in reality. Or in his case just offer up a throwaway partisan one liner and walk away.

frick the win now or potential debate. We have a SG who can shoot. Buddy is a legit NBA player, regardless of your team's timeframe.

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If the organization and fans are fine with less than .500 ball and trying to make the 8 seed, then Buddy was the right pick.

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I think this may be correct as a generalization but I don't buy it at all in this specific instance. The argument for Murray over Hield is Murray has a higher ceiling because he was better younger. If his ceiling was that much higher than Buddy's he'd have been a tier above Buddy and gotten drafted earlier.

The NBA doesn't get the draft 100% right, but when they are wrong, they usually err on the side of potential. The fact that Murray went where he did suggests that Murray fans are wrong about his ceiling being significantly better than Hield's. It's not like people thought the Pels reached on Buddy or Murray fell, Bender/Dunn/Hield/Murray/Brown was that 2nd talent tier and nobody really separated themselves.

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This notion that age and experience means you can't still have room to grow and be one of the best of a draft class continues to be nonsense.

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this...
the difference is possibly 3-4 years of total playing time in their career if both have long tenured careers.

You think Portland and GS care that McCollum/Thompson are older? No.

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Toula

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It's funny cause when Murray was playing well and Buddy wasn't getting run, everyone was saying the exact opposite. Now that Murray has cooled and Buddy is getting run, he's in a better situation.

I don't know if you've watched the Pels or are just box score watching, but Buddy's points aren't the result of Jrue/Davis getting double teamed and kicking out to wide open Hield. The guy is ALWAYS moving. Even when he's standing in a particular spot on isos, he will often fake moving to see if he can get his defender to bite.

He's been good at getting to the rack and has a nice first step. He learns to finish in traffic better and watch out. Right now he has no problem getting into the second level, but he underestimates the closing speed/length of NBA bigs.

There's plenty of reason to be excited about him. I've yet to see someone cite from a skills perspective why Murray is a better player. He certainly doesn't look it at the current moment. He doesn't have off the charts measurables (smaller than Hield by a little bit). The only argument is he's younger with greater upside.

And my whole thing about "greater upside" has been that a person's ceiling is almost entirely reliant on a players physical characteristics. And when you look at Murray and Hield and their respective ideal positions in the NBA, they are both nearly identical
In terms of physical ceiling. With Hield possibly getting an edge because he isn't a tweeter.

Murray is a larger but slower PG or an undersized SG. Hield is an average sized SG with slightly above average athleticism. Both high IQ players.

The only rational upside argument I see with Murray is that he is younger and therefore has a longer window to meet his ceiling and if he can accelerate himself to that ceiling(no guarantee) then he conceivably has a larger window at peak output over the life of his career.

But Hield is so far already developed in areas past Murray and continues to show himself to be on a steady and strong upward trajectory.

Potentially those ratings not at the moment.

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Hield, 23, the sixth pick in NBA Draft 2016 presented by State Farm, led West rookies in scoring (10.6 ppg) and three-point field goal percentage (47.8) and topped all first-year players in three-pointers made (33). The 6-4 guard scored in double figures nine times in 16 games, including 12 or more points in each of the final three games of December (a 3-0 stretch for New Orleans). On Dec. 15, Hield set career highs with 21 points and five three-pointers in a 102-95 victory against the Indiana Pacers.

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No other competition in the West for December.

Embiid will clean sweep the East unless he gets hurt.

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Nah I admitted Buddy was getting better and I'm gonna look at it like this. Buddy Hield is like a 75 to 77 over all on 2k. Murray is about 82-85 that's just how I see it. Murray reminds me of Brandon Roy that's why I'm so high on him.

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The only way that is true right now in their careers is if you are editing rosters to suit your fantasies.