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1st unit vs 2nd unit
Posted on 9/28/26 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 9/28/26 at 8:41 pm
I know there is a lot of debate over who the starters are going to be, but I think it's pretty good bet that Murray, Jones, Murphy and Zion are going to be starting with probably Missi. I just can't get excited about this group. Even healthy I just don't see that group breaking 40 wins. Maybe with some breaks, they get kind of close.
The group I want to watch is Fears, Queen, Mathurin and Bey (along with Missi). Those are my 5 favorite current players. I'm excited to see what all they can do. I don't think they are that much worse than that 1st group. If it was 4 on 4 (Keep Missi out of it), it would be pretty straight up.
All that being said, I'm ready for the rebuild. We could have shipped those 4 guys out and thrown in Poole to go along with them and I'd be so much more excited for the coming season. IMO that is $150M of wasted payroll. I guess it makes sense to do the do the rebuild next summer. But it feels like a wasted year (especially if we aren't featuring Fears and Queen)..
The group I want to watch is Fears, Queen, Mathurin and Bey (along with Missi). Those are my 5 favorite current players. I'm excited to see what all they can do. I don't think they are that much worse than that 1st group. If it was 4 on 4 (Keep Missi out of it), it would be pretty straight up.
All that being said, I'm ready for the rebuild. We could have shipped those 4 guys out and thrown in Poole to go along with them and I'd be so much more excited for the coming season. IMO that is $150M of wasted payroll. I guess it makes sense to do the do the rebuild next summer. But it feels like a wasted year (especially if we aren't featuring Fears and Queen)..
Posted on 9/28/26 at 11:05 pm to brmark70816
Agreed, Zion should come off the bench and play about 25 mins a game
Posted on 9/29/26 at 10:31 am to brmark70816
quote:Murray is better than Fears
I don't think they are that much worse than that 1st group. If it was 4 on 4 (Keep Missi out of it), it would be pretty straight up.
Herb is better than Mathurin
Trey is better than Bey
Zion is better than Queen
quote:Not saying you can't be excited about a rebuild, but you'd be looking at a team that would win 18-20 games or so.
We could have shipped those 4 guys out and thrown in Poole to go along with them and I'd be so much more excited for the coming season
Posted on 9/29/26 at 10:52 am to shel311
All you have to do is look at who's the coach of the team is and listen to his philosophy and plan of attack for the team in year 1, and you can easily tell who is going to be starting and who is coming off the bench.
Mosley doesn't sound like he's treating this season as playoffs or bust. Sounds like he wants to establish his defensive culture above all else. I guess that's his luxury with that 5 year contract. He doesn't have pressure to win now from the organization.
Mosley doesn't sound like he's treating this season as playoffs or bust. Sounds like he wants to establish his defensive culture above all else. I guess that's his luxury with that 5 year contract. He doesn't have pressure to win now from the organization.
Posted on 9/29/26 at 11:49 am to brmark70816
Here is my yearly "Herb is NOT a starter, should not start, and has no reason to start" comment.
Herb/ Murray defense to finish games is ideal. Absolutely unnecessary to start. Mathurin/ Bey make more sense. We start losing? Ok cool put in Herb.
I actually prefer:
Murray
Trey
Bey
Zion
Queen
Fears
Mathurin
Herb
Karlo
Missi
If you get a starting C then that's ideal and Queen takes Karlo's rotation spot at PF.
Herb/ Murray defense to finish games is ideal. Absolutely unnecessary to start. Mathurin/ Bey make more sense. We start losing? Ok cool put in Herb.
I actually prefer:
Murray
Trey
Bey
Zion
Queen
Fears
Mathurin
Herb
Karlo
Missi
If you get a starting C then that's ideal and Queen takes Karlo's rotation spot at PF.
Posted on 9/29/26 at 2:47 pm to Dantheman504
I think the starters will be Murray, Fears, Murphy, Zion, Missi. You could make a case for Herb but that would be a shooting disaster. They’d start every 2Q down double digits
I don’t think those are the best 5 but nothing about this roster fits so it really doesn’t matter
I don’t think those are the best 5 but nothing about this roster fits so it really doesn’t matter
Posted on 9/29/26 at 6:58 pm to brmark70816
Who starts is an interesting question. I suspect it will be Murray, Herb, Zion, Trey and probably Missi (though they might consider Queen). Barring injury (yeah, I laughed when I wrote that) we should be pretty deep.
Posted on 9/29/26 at 7:58 pm to shel311
quote:
Murray is better than Fears
Herb is better than Mathurin
Trey is better than Bey
Zion is better than Queen
That is literally $114M in salary vs 38M. So almost triple the amount. For all of that additional spending, they maybe slightly better. Maybe. Plus it doesn't have the upside of the cheaper group.
quote:
Not saying you can't be excited about a rebuild, but you'd be looking at a team that would win 18-20 games or so.
I don't believe that at all. I can't even imagine the moves we could have made shipping out those 5 deals, with $150M in other deals. I'm pretty sure we could have built up a pretty solid bench behind that group.
Posted on 9/30/26 at 12:04 am to brmark70816
Starters
Murray- 29 M
Herb- 24 M
Trey- 34 M
Bey- 29 M
Queen- 27 M
Bench
Fears- 28 M
Math- 24 M
Zion- 25 M
Karlo- 10 M
Missi- 10 M
Do this and you are a play in Team
Any other iteration and we are winning less than 30 games again
We should not let Zion run year 8 into the ground. We are absolutely retarded if we try to start him 8 years in a row. It's never led to anything positive for the team or his health.
Murray- 29 M
Herb- 24 M
Trey- 34 M
Bey- 29 M
Queen- 27 M
Bench
Fears- 28 M
Math- 24 M
Zion- 25 M
Karlo- 10 M
Missi- 10 M
Do this and you are a play in Team
Any other iteration and we are winning less than 30 games again
We should not let Zion run year 8 into the ground. We are absolutely retarded if we try to start him 8 years in a row. It's never led to anything positive for the team or his health.
Posted on 9/30/26 at 11:19 am to brmark70816
quote:Irrelevant to what you said.
That is literally $114M in salary vs 38M.
quote:Every single 1 of the 4 is better than the 2nd group, it's not close.
For all of that additional spending, they maybe slightly better.
quote:I can, it ain't nearly what you think it would be.
I can't even imagine the moves we could have made shipping out those 5 deals, with $150M in other deals
Trey is about the only one who could have gotten actual players back, young assets. The rest, you wouldn't get back much in terms of players who would have made this team any good.
Zion and Trey were healthy last season, and we won 26 games. You would absolutely not get back players who would be as good as Zion/Trey immediately, so this season's team would most certainly be worse by a considerable margin if you traded those players. Not even sure why that is disputed.
quote:And a bottom 3 starting 5.
I'm pretty sure we could have built up a pretty solid bench behind that group.
This post was edited on 9/30/26 at 11:19 am
Posted on 9/30/26 at 11:19 am to SenGooner
quote:More likely a 12 seed.
Do this and you are a play in Team
Posted on 9/30/26 at 9:23 pm to cgrand
quote:
think the starters will be Murray, Fears, Murphy, Zion, Missi.
I agree. I think there's a real push to start Fears, and I think that he's ready.
I think that first off the bench are Queen in for Zion, Herb in for Fears, and Bey in for Murphy.
Posted on 10/3/26 at 2:21 pm to brmark70816
For sure, Husky, Murphy, and Murray. After that it gets interesting. Missi/Queen and Herb/Bey. Nod to Herb because someone has to defend opps best player, Nod to Missi to rim protect.
Posted on 10/3/26 at 4:19 pm to Pistol44
Blue team at the St Aug practice were:
Murray
Poole
Trey
Zion
Missi
Mosley said not to put anything into the lineups that were seen today before practice started.
Red team:
Fears
Mathurin
Herb
Bey
Queen
If this was the lineups in practice as well, they said the Red team won a scrimmage against the blue team a day or two ago.
Murray
Poole
Trey
Zion
Missi
Mosley said not to put anything into the lineups that were seen today before practice started.
Red team:
Fears
Mathurin
Herb
Bey
Queen
If this was the lineups in practice as well, they said the Red team won a scrimmage against the blue team a day or two ago.
This post was edited on 10/3/26 at 4:21 pm
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