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re: 10.5 GB from the Play-In w/ 40 Games left.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 11:33 am to whatiknowsofar
Posted on 1/16/25 at 11:33 am to whatiknowsofar
You guys are also forgetting that to even make the play in we would have to play some of the best ball possible in the league. I'm talking like "look like one of the best teams in the league" good.
Just to make the play in.
If the Pels played like that for 3 months the majority of this board would be excited to see what happens.
Just to make the play in.
If the Pels played like that for 3 months the majority of this board would be excited to see what happens.
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Posted on 1/16/25 at 11:38 am to whatiknowsofar
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If the Pels played like that for 3 months the majority of this board would be excited to see what happens.
The majority you are describing are bandwagon fans.
Only get excited when we do well? Don't care about how it affects the future of the team? Would rather see a good team with 0 potential > a bad team with potential?
Real fans don't want to waste another season. Championship contenders make moves every year, through the season, and at deadlines all while having better records than us.
For a fan to actually process that and think this squad will do anything together is astonishing.
This post was edited on 1/16/25 at 11:45 am
Posted on 1/16/25 at 11:41 am to Dantheman504
I think we would have a shot, if we were to stay healthy.
Which is why we don't have a shot.
Which is why we don't have a shot.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 11:52 am to Dantheman504
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The majority you are describing are bandwagon fans.
I don't think you're really grasping what I'm trying to say.
And this is all hypothetical with Zion being healthy and most likely not going to happen.
If the pels play at a 50 win pace over the next however many games, your trade value for Zion would be at an all time high. You'll make the play in. The offseason can probably net you one of those top 2 picks if the Nets get one (which they may) and ask about Zion.
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Only get excited when we do well?
Who the frick is excited about a bad team lol
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Don't care about how it affects the future of the team?
Playing well can affect the future of the team in a good way, as I've laid out before.
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Would rather see a good team with 0 potential > a bad team with potential?
Where does this Pels team have 0 potential, stop being a fatalist.
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Real fans don't want to waste a other season. Championship contenders make moves every year, through the season, and at deadlines all while having better records than us.
For a fan to actually process that and think this squad will do anything together is astonishing.
I don't want a wasted season, but you're clueless if you think we're going to be a bad team if Zion is on that court with Trey cj and DJ. We're several years away from being a contender due to Zion, so why not hope he plays us into the playoffs so we can get max value in the offseason?
There's more than one way to fix this team, and tanking is probably not going to be one of them when fat boy is actually playing.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 11:56 am to GOP_Tiger
If we can go off, stay healthy and make the playoffs. I am all for it.
I don't think it will happen. I get the tanking idea, but this front office has not made a good pick before #17 in the draft.
Our best players we drafted are: (on the team)
Murphy #17
Missi #21
Jones 2nd rd
Jose not drafted
I don't think it will happen. I get the tanking idea, but this front office has not made a good pick before #17 in the draft.
Our best players we drafted are: (on the team)
Murphy #17
Missi #21
Jones 2nd rd
Jose not drafted
Posted on 1/16/25 at 12:00 pm to whatiknowsofar
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I don't want a wasted season, but you're clueless if you think we're going to be a bad team if Zion is on that court with Trey cj and DJ. We're several years away from being a contender due to Zion, so why not hope he plays us into the playoffs so we can get max value in the offseason?
I don't think we will be a bad team at all. Will this team win a championship? No, not happening this year.
Part of my reasoning is probably because I think we should keep Zion. I 100% think CJ and BI need to go. All this does is delay the inevitable. So if you view it from that side then what I'm saying makes more sense.
I do agree if we rally and get in the play in then we may increase our trade value for Zion. But if that happens then it seems we are also delaying the decision on replacing CJ and possibly considering letting BI walk without any assets.
And I'd be very surprised if we get a "better" asset from any of those trades than a top 3 pick in the upcoming draft.
All you are talking about is "hope" and "what ifs" when we legit can get a top 3 pick and add an important price to this roster.
I'd rather go with the set in stone option that 100% helps our future roster construction > actually convincing myself that the same thing we've been unable to do for several years will magicaly work out in our favor.
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so why not hope he plays us into the playoffs so we can get max value in the offseason?
Because we aren't winning a championship and a top draft pick is the "max value" this offseason.
I'd love to be able to say "I wish we can see our team play well and also maximize our draft pick" but that's not a reality.
And an extra 1st rd pick 4 years from now does NOT outweigh a grautanteed top 3-5 pick.
This post was edited on 1/16/25 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 1/16/25 at 12:07 pm to Dantheman504
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Part of my reasoning is probably because I think we should keep Zion.
Yeah frick all of that. He cannot stay on the court. He doesn't fricking care. Get him the frick out if you can.
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100% think CJ and BI need to go. All this does is delay the inevitable. So if you view it from that side then what I'm saying makes more sense.
All 3 should eventually go, but CJ will have plenty of good value this offseason as well with him being expiring.
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All you are talking about is "hope" and "what ifs" when we legit can get a top 3 pick and add an important price to this roster.
I'd rather go with the set in stone option that 100% helps our future roster construction
Which is what? Tanking? It's not happening with Zion playing games. Even if you lose Zion, if ingram comes back were still going to be too good to tank.
You have to hope that 2/3rds of Z, Ingram, and DJ are out for a loooong time for a tank to work. It ain't happening.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 12:08 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Zion playing in the playoffs?
Absolutely would.
I'd argue quite the opposite.
Zion playing in the postseason and losing in the first round would be the final death blow to this era of Pels basketball. And make no mistake, we would lose in the first round, if not the play-in.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 12:11 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Which is what? Tanking? It's not happening with Zion playing games. Even if you lose Zion, if ingram comes back were still going to be too good to tank
Then you trade him now!!!
Holy shite I can't even begin to understand the thought process some fans have.
"Zion doesn't belong on our roster"
"instead of trading him now and getting a gauranteed top 5 pick lets just make a playoff run, ruin those chances, get a pick in the 20's and blow it up anyway!!!"
What the frick is that?
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And an extra 1st rd pick 4 years from now does NOT outweigh a grautanteed top 3-5 pick.
This post was edited on 1/16/25 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 1/16/25 at 12:11 pm to Broski
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Zion playing in the postseason and losing in the first round would be the final death blow to this era of Pels basketball.
Sure, but i need Zion to get his value as high as possible to try and trade for one of those top 2 picks. Zion being scrappy af in rd 1 would help greatly with that.
I agree, this era of the pels needs to end, how it happens can still come from the team playing well enough to get into the playoffs.
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And make no mistake, we would lose in the first round, if not the play-in.
Again, probably true, but that Celtics game has me thinking there's a small chance we can upset Rox or OKC if it's them. They don't have anyone that can stop Zion.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 12:13 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Again, probably true, but that Celtics game has me thinking there's a small chance we can upset Rox or OKC if it's them. They don't have anyone that can stop Zion.
You think we can win a 7-game series against a 1-seed without HCA because we almost beat the Celtics?
Baw... get off the drugs.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 12:15 pm to Dantheman504
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Then you trade him now!!!
Holy shite I can't even begin to understand the thought process some fans have.
Your thought process is awful.
Trade Zion now while his value is at its absolute lowest, before we know the results of the draft?
Why do you think tanking for a 14% chance at a top 3 pick is the absolute best route? Its a 14% chance.
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instead of trading him now and getting a gauranteed top 5 pick
There is no way to guarantee a top 5 pick by trading him now. None at all.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 12:17 pm to Broski
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You think we can win a 7-game series against a 1-seed without HCA because we almost beat the Celtics?
Baw... get off the drugs.
I said small chance haha. Like super small.
My most likely hopeful reality is we sneak into the playoffs and Zion looks like the best player on a court with SGA, we lose rd one, and trade his arse for a top 2 pick.
This post was edited on 1/16/25 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 1/16/25 at 12:42 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Your thought process is awful.
Trade Zion now while his value is at its absolute lowest, before we know the results of the draft?
The problem here is you are assuming that Zion's value will increase or that his value will equal 1-2 extra 1st rd picks.
I don't necessarily hate that philosophy but having that philosophy while also completely disregarding the chance we have to get a top pick is wild.
You legit want to ruin the chance of a top 5 pick to add value to a player that may or may not exist or may not be what you think.
In order for that to even be a reality you have to go through this whole other scenario of us winning a shite ton of games, everyone staying healthy, and us getting out of the 1st rd of the playoffs.
Which by itself is a more awful thought process than "rebuild and get a top 5 pick".
My thought process isn't "awful" its blunt, realistic, and doesn't include some bullshite fantasy "best case scenario" that has never happened in the history of this franchise.
This post was edited on 1/16/25 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 1/16/25 at 1:24 pm to Bonkers119
This is 2021-2022 season all over again. We are staring top 3-4 lottery odds in the face in a draft with a perfect modern big in Flagg.
We need to embrace the tank and pray to the lottery gods.
Flagg, Murphy, Murray and Missi is a future core. Finishing 10-15 games under .500 and drafting in the 10-14 range is dumb.
CJ isn’t part of the future. Trade him for whatever you can now to a win now team. We don’t need him here adding a few more to the win column.
We need to embrace the tank and pray to the lottery gods.
Flagg, Murphy, Murray and Missi is a future core. Finishing 10-15 games under .500 and drafting in the 10-14 range is dumb.
CJ isn’t part of the future. Trade him for whatever you can now to a win now team. We don’t need him here adding a few more to the win column.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 1:35 pm to ned nederlander
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Finishing 10-15 games under .500 and drafting in the 10-14 range is dumb.
Yeah especially when the scenario involves
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we sneak into the playoffs and Zion looks like the best player on a court with SGA, we lose rd one, and trade his arse for a top 2 pick.
All of that has to be happen and the scenario still doesn't even end with us being guaranteed a "top 2 pick".
All of that would have to theoretically happen just for the possibility of us getting a top pick for Zion and it still isn't a fricking certainty.
The best part is thinking all of this is a good idea while actually trading Zion who would just have outplayed SGA in this scenario.
Even if the scenario works out then the correct thing to do is fricking keep Zion.
This board is arse fricking backwards every way possible.
This post was edited on 1/16/25 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 1/16/25 at 1:39 pm to whatiknowsofar
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You guys are also forgetting that to even make the play in we would have to play some of the best ball possible in the league. I'm talking like "look like one of the best teams in the league" good.
Just to make the play in.
If the Pels played like that for 3 months the majority of this board would be excited to see what happens.
and i said that in other threads where i've tried to explain to people the unliklihood of us finishing worse than 8th worst, if we somehow went on a tear and made it to the playoffs, then i'd have expectations of making the conference finals at that point. We'd have to play at a pace of an almost 60 win team just to finish a game over .500. If we did that for the rest of the season, then yeah, i'd be excited, and i'd expect to take the #1 seed to 7 games at a minimum.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 1:43 pm to Dantheman504
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The problem here is you are assuming that Zion's value will increase or that his value will equal 1-2 extra 1st rd picks.
Because if he's playing, it will.
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but having that philosophy while also completely disregarding the chance we have to get a top pick is wild.
You legit want to ruin the chance of a top 5 pick to add value to a player that may or may not exist or may not be what you think.
You want to go the 14% chance route (which we probably won't get even if we trade zion now), and I'm ok playing him to add value or he gets hurt and we still maintain our chances.
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order for that to even be a reality you have to go through this whole other scenario of us winning a shite ton of games, everyone staying healthy, and us getting out of the 1st rd of the playoffs.
We dont have to get out of the 1st round. Pels can lose in 5 to okc or the rox, but if zion is playing in that game that means he's put together several months in a row of great ball against a tough schedule. His value would absolutely go up.
And if we don't, it's probably because he got hurt again, and we'd still have a shot at the lottery.
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My thought process isn't "awful" its blunt, realistic, and doesn't include some bullshite fantasy "best case scenario"
No, your process is a fantasy of all of our best players being hurt like they were at the beginning of the year. It ain't happening. We aren't going to be able to tank. So you need to hope the pels win more so guys gain value, and not this middling play of barely over .500 ball, because that is the true most likely scenario none of us want.
Again, forget tanking. It's isn't happening unless we get wildly bad injury luck for the 2nd time in a season.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 1:55 pm to Dantheman504
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All of that has to be happen and the scenario still doesn't even end with us being guaranteed a "top 2 pick".
What are you even talking about.
Pels get eliminated rd 1
Draft lottery happens
Hey team with top 2 pick, you want Z?
Can easily happen.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 2:04 pm to Dantheman504
Why everyone keeps saying that with tanking we will have top 3 pick. Last year 1st and 3rd pick went to 9 and 10th lottery team. There is no chance we will be worse than Wizards, Raptors, Jazz and probably Hornets.
On the other side there is zero chance to get to the play-in, unless we win 33-35 games. And if that happens as already mentioned in few other posts, OKC shall fear us, not vice versa.
So, trade BI and CJ and build chemistry between DJM, Trey, Z, Missi, Hawk...
On the other side there is zero chance to get to the play-in, unless we win 33-35 games. And if that happens as already mentioned in few other posts, OKC shall fear us, not vice versa.
So, trade BI and CJ and build chemistry between DJM, Trey, Z, Missi, Hawk...
This post was edited on 1/16/25 at 2:07 pm
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