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Why Jimmy Page over Jeff Beck or Eric Clapton in the 60s?
Posted on 8/4/16 at 1:07 am
Posted on 8/4/16 at 1:07 am
Why was Jimmy so heralded over Jeff and Eric at this time? He WAS the first call session musician in London at the time, when it was proven Eric was the better guitarist of the entire decade and Jeff was certainly more durable for 50+ years? Doesn't make much sense except that Jimmy's frail frame precluded him from being in a band because his lead playing is SOOO overrated. Someone explain that over a guy like Hendrix, Clapton and Allman, PLEASE.
This post was edited on 8/4/16 at 1:16 am
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Posted on 8/4/16 at 1:18 am to ThePTExperience1969
quote:he wasn't
Why was Jimmy so heralded over Jeff and Eric at this time?
Posted on 8/4/16 at 1:31 am to Kafka
Yet he was the Yardbirds' first choice to replace Clapton for some reason. Idk what that was.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 1:50 am to ThePTExperience1969
quote:Page was a highly regarded session player at a time when Beck was not well known.
Yet he was the Yardbirds' first choice to replace Clapton for some reason
At no time in the '60s was Page as celebrated as Clapton -- who was of course referred to as "God" (whether this was deserved is another subject). Beck became a guitar hero first with the Yardbirds and then even more so the Jeff Beck Group. Page didn't really achieve stardom until LZ, when the decade was almost over.
Yardbirds - "Happenings Ten Years Time Ago" -- one of only a handful of Yardbirds tracks featuring both Beck and Page (video from the Milton Berle Show!)
According to legend, both JB and JP appear on this
Posted on 8/4/16 at 7:51 am to PowerTool
Led Zep put out great records with blues based hard rock. These albums are still relevant and enjoyed by many fans. Creem along with Beck released albums in the same era that were not as popular and IMO have not stood the test of time. As sloppy a player as Page was, he had great muscicians and wrote/stole/borrowed some great songs. Page was a master in the studio and cleaned up a lot of his playing through multiple tracks and overdubs. Some of his live playing can be equated to a two year old with a broken arm. ( per Ed Van Halen...lol)
Posted on 8/4/16 at 10:11 am to ThePTExperience1969
You can be a great guitarist and an ok orchestrator. You can be a great orchestrator and an ok guitarist.
In other words: ability to play and ability to write are not the same thing.
Page was astounding at both, and he wrote some of the most heralded guitar orchestrations in the history of music. That's not to say Beck and Clapton weren't great writers; they most certainly were. They are probably better technicians at playing the instrument than Page.
But Page was something special when combining the orchestration with the technique and ability.
Still, in the end it's all a matter of personal taste. Popularity dictates that Page has touched more people with is craft than the other two
In other words: ability to play and ability to write are not the same thing.
Page was astounding at both, and he wrote some of the most heralded guitar orchestrations in the history of music. That's not to say Beck and Clapton weren't great writers; they most certainly were. They are probably better technicians at playing the instrument than Page.
But Page was something special when combining the orchestration with the technique and ability.
Still, in the end it's all a matter of personal taste. Popularity dictates that Page has touched more people with is craft than the other two
Posted on 8/4/16 at 11:03 am to Midget Death Squad
He wasn't? Not 1960's.
1970's? Sure.
Led Zepplins heyday he was the guy.
Jeff Beck is just always gonna be that guy.... "You know that's Jeff Beck playing that guitar. Really!?" That's his whole career.
Clapton is just the coolest bastard alive. Came out of the 60-80's alive and clean.
Jimmy Page is just always a strange dude. It is still funny to hear how awkward he and John Paul Jones are when interviewed. You'd think after 40 years of being awesome they'd be used to it?
I think musical talent made him crazy or eccentric. Robert Plant went to near do-wop with The Honeydrippers. John Paul jones worked with Yoko Ono (I recall him saying that was one reason he turned down a Zepplin reunion gig). Page collaborated with P-Diddy?
I just appreciate how Clapton strolls out there as a special guest to any badass. Walks out for a couple songs, is a badass, and walks off stage.
1970's? Sure.
Led Zepplins heyday he was the guy.
Jeff Beck is just always gonna be that guy.... "You know that's Jeff Beck playing that guitar. Really!?" That's his whole career.
Clapton is just the coolest bastard alive. Came out of the 60-80's alive and clean.
Jimmy Page is just always a strange dude. It is still funny to hear how awkward he and John Paul Jones are when interviewed. You'd think after 40 years of being awesome they'd be used to it?
I think musical talent made him crazy or eccentric. Robert Plant went to near do-wop with The Honeydrippers. John Paul jones worked with Yoko Ono (I recall him saying that was one reason he turned down a Zepplin reunion gig). Page collaborated with P-Diddy?
I just appreciate how Clapton strolls out there as a special guest to any badass. Walks out for a couple songs, is a badass, and walks off stage.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 11:07 am to ThePTExperience1969
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Why was Jimmy so heralded over Jeff and Eric at this time? He WAS the first call session musician in London at the time, when it was proven Eric was the better guitarist of the entire decade and Jeff was certainly more durable for 50+ years? Doesn't make much sense except that Jimmy's frail frame precluded him from being in a band because his lead playing is SOOO overrated. Someone explain that over a guy like Hendrix, Clapton and Allman, PLEASE.
Wat? Who has these opinions?
Posted on 8/4/16 at 11:19 am to LSU alum wannabe
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I just appreciate how Clapton strolls out there as a special guest to any badass. Walks out for a couple songs, is a badass, and walks off stage.
Clapton has aged and matured really, really well. Hats off. He has universal respect in the musical world.
But neither he or Beck can touch LZ's work. Just can't.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 11:27 am to WhopperDawg
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But neither he or Beck can touch LZ's work. Just can't.
I'd argue Clapton could considering his work with The Yardbirds, John Mayall, Cream and Derek and the Dominoes. And then you throw in his solo work after that - which I'm not wild about. Zep really had 4 great albums and some meh to good work after that - Physical Graffiti has never done much for me.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 12:27 pm to lsu2006
I think Clapton's collaboration stuff was better than his solo stuff. The beauty of his Derek and the Dominoes album is the fantastic slide played by Duane Allman.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 12:42 pm to Loubacca
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I think Clapton's collaboration stuff was better than his solo stuff. The beauty of his Derek and the Dominoes album is the fantastic slide played by Duane Allman.
I think that's true even today. He seems to play better when there's somebody else there to push him a little. I've seen him solo and with Steve Winwood. I felt like he sorta mailed in the solo performance but with Winwood he was spectacular. Another example, look at some of the Crossroads performances with guys like Derek Trucks and Jeff Beck.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 12:43 pm to WhopperDawg
Pound for pound, musician for musician, Cream is probably the greatest rock band in terms of skill, riffage, technique and volume. Unfortunately, for them, Lennon/McCartney and Townshend had them beat in lyricism and lyricist being in the actual band.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 12:49 pm to lsu2006
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But neither he or Beck can touch LZ's work. Just can't.
I agree with this 100%. Zep's whole catalog is head and shoulders above anything done by Clapton and Beck. While I respect both of their playing, the songwriting just isn't on the same level as Zeppelin.
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Physical Graffiti has never done much for me
I think it may be the best LZ album.
Down by the seaside
Ten years gone
custard pie
the rover
Kashmir
houses of the holy
in my time of dyin
These are all superb song IMO.... Sorry you no likey.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 12:59 pm to randybobandy
All 3 of Cream's studio albums completely blow away Zep's collective catalog primarily due to Clapton's technical virtuosity and Baker's expert use of dynamics. Plus, the songs are catchy AF.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 1:11 pm to ThePTExperience1969
Clapton did not have a John Paul Jones.
I think that is a major key. And I can't recall anything that Clapton has done where the drums are noteworthy?
Maybe Pages studio work and Jones gave them the knowledge to layer all of those tracks?
I think that is a major key. And I can't recall anything that Clapton has done where the drums are noteworthy?
Maybe Pages studio work and Jones gave them the knowledge to layer all of those tracks?
Posted on 8/4/16 at 1:14 pm to ThePTExperience1969
Why the love for Clapton should be the question.....
White boy blues.....don't own one record, nor do I care to own one.
Over rated as a master. Mastered rippin off another art form just like Page gets accused of so often. He was all but irrelevant till the accident with his kid, then all the praise came.
As a player, I just can not even wrap my head around it. i have seen guys busking for change in the French Quarter that had more chops than Clapton.
White boy blues.....don't own one record, nor do I care to own one.
Over rated as a master. Mastered rippin off another art form just like Page gets accused of so often. He was all but irrelevant till the accident with his kid, then all the praise came.
As a player, I just can not even wrap my head around it. i have seen guys busking for change in the French Quarter that had more chops than Clapton.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 1:40 pm to 54BogTiger
quote:
Why the love for Clapton should be the question.....
White boy blues.....don't own one record, nor do I care to own one.
Over rated as a master. Mastered rippin off another art form just like Page gets accused of so often. He was all but irrelevant till the accident with his kid, then all the praise came.
Honestly can't tell if trolling or a functioning 'tard.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 1:44 pm to LSU alum wannabe
You're joking right? Lol
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