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re: What Makes Nirvana Great?
Posted on 12/17/12 at 8:56 am to The Seaward
Posted on 12/17/12 at 8:56 am to The Seaward
quote:Has this ever been supported? If so, I've not seen it, and I like Nirvana.
Cobain was a helluva songwriter.
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Posted on 12/17/12 at 8:57 am to TigerRanter
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Also, Nirvana killed off the hair bands and reformatted rock radio.
This cannot be understated. Rock radio changed almost overnight. One day, it's all Motley Crue and Poison and suddenly, those mascara bands were nowhere to be found. It's a little more complex than Nirvana killed hair metal, but they were the public face of it, and the were pretty open about their complete contempt for that scene.
And "grunge" was a marketing term (ironically, first used to describe Mudhoney, their labelmates). They were a punk band. 1991 is the year punk broke.
Posted on 12/17/12 at 8:59 am to TigerRanter
I preferred Everybody Loves Our Town. But same thing - an oral history of Seattle music in the 90s. You definitely got the feel that, as a general rule, the more successful a band got, the unhappier its members are today (Pearl Jam being the biggest exception).
Posted on 12/17/12 at 9:07 am to Baloo
I've got both. They're both great reads.
Posted on 12/17/12 at 9:18 am to TigerRanter
If memory serves me right, Nirvana were scheduled to play the Art Bar (BR) in the fall of '91... That all changed, literally overnight...
If for no other reason, their influence on radio at the time is enough, never mind the fallout of the few years after (I mean, this movement killed a great college radio station at the time (KLSU) and moved it into an "alternative" format.. does everyone remember the SUKS stickers?
If for no other reason, their influence on radio at the time is enough, never mind the fallout of the few years after (I mean, this movement killed a great college radio station at the time (KLSU) and moved it into an "alternative" format.. does everyone remember the SUKS stickers?
This post was edited on 12/17/12 at 9:21 am
Posted on 12/17/12 at 9:23 am to Progress
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And eventually gave rise to dad rock bands like Creed and Nickleback....yeah, no thanks.
Holding that against Nirvana seems awfully silly.
Plus it’s not like it is difficult to avoid listening to those bands. Sure, Nickelback and Creed are bad, but that has zero impact on my life. I simply just don’t listen to them.
Posted on 12/17/12 at 9:49 am to TFTC
heart shaped box FTW
This post was edited on 12/17/12 at 9:50 am
Posted on 12/17/12 at 9:58 am to S
Kurt could write some very catchy songs. A lot of them were heavy songs, but essentially pop songs.
If you want to make an argument about the musicianship, you have a point that the songs aren't "hard to play". But I'm always more impressed by melodies than a 10 minute wankfest guitar solo.
Plus Kurt's voice. That's a powerful voice.
If you want to make an argument about the musicianship, you have a point that the songs aren't "hard to play". But I'm always more impressed by melodies than a 10 minute wankfest guitar solo.
Plus Kurt's voice. That's a powerful voice.
Posted on 12/17/12 at 10:02 am to Kayhill Brown
I also have a particular place in my heart for Nirvana because reading about them introduced me to so many bands (Sonic Youth, Pixies, Black Flag, Vaselines, Dinosaur Jr, etc etc).
I owe a lot of my taste and interest in music to them for their constant promotion and support of great bands.
I owe a lot of my taste and interest in music to them for their constant promotion and support of great bands.
Posted on 12/17/12 at 10:08 am to Baloo
quote:yea and to add to that.
This cannot be understated. Rock radio changed almost overnight. One day, it's all Motley Crue and Poison and suddenly, those mascara bands were nowhere to be found. It's a little more complex than Nirvana killed hair metal, but they were the public face of it, and the were pretty open about their complete contempt for that scene
They helped change the way rock lyrics were written as well
instead of talking about girls, girls, girls,(pun intended), they wrote introspective lyrics, made it "cool" to talk about legitimate feelings. In other words, rock wasn't about partying so much as it became another medium of self expression and therapy
Posted on 12/17/12 at 10:10 am to TFTC
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KLSU (WPRG before that) was always an alternative rock station. They were the station you could hear punk/new wave/local bands/blues, etc., that got no airplay on the disco-oriented/hair band commercial radio stations. They started sucking when they began playing cRap.
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KLSU) and moved it into an "alternative" format.. does everyone remember the SUKS stickers?
KLSU (WPRG before that) was always an alternative rock station. They were the station you could hear punk/new wave/local bands/blues, etc., that got no airplay on the disco-oriented/hair band commercial radio stations. They started sucking when they began playing cRap.
Posted on 12/17/12 at 10:19 am to Baloo
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This cannot be understated. Rock radio changed almost overnight. One day, it's all Motley Crue and Poison and suddenly, those mascara bands were nowhere to be found. It's a little more complex than Nirvana killed hair metal, but they were the public face of it, and the were pretty open about their complete contempt for that scene.
Yup. That's why Nirvana is big. It was the "movement" they put a face to. To top it off, their onstage antics, Kurt's instability, and their "don't give a frick" attitude just magnified things.
Musically, they were beautiful. Total chaos. Kurt wailing, Krist grooving out, and Dave beating the ever living shite out of his drums. Somehow it all came together and sounded good though. Organized chaos.
Posted on 12/17/12 at 10:21 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
Well, I guess I wasnt clear enough... KLSU was "alternative" before in the sense of a free format college radio station... yes, you could hear a Willie Nelson song followed by a 30 minute Henry Rollins spoken word clip...
After the aforementioned movement, they went to a "modern rock/alternative" format very similar to mainstream radio where you heard the same alternative hits 3/4 times a day... there was very little to no individuality to the DJs.
After the aforementioned movement, they went to a "modern rock/alternative" format very similar to mainstream radio where you heard the same alternative hits 3/4 times a day... there was very little to no individuality to the DJs.
Posted on 12/17/12 at 10:23 am to Pilot Tiger
Posted on 12/17/12 at 10:23 am to 225bred
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they are vastly overrated
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Posted on 12/17/12 at 10:31 am to oompaw
I could see how one could think they're overrated musically, even though I disagree. Their importance to rock history cannot be understated or overrated, imo.
This post was edited on 12/17/12 at 10:36 am
Posted on 12/17/12 at 10:32 am to TFTC
quote:Hated it when they did that. Was thankful for WBRH.
a 30 minute Henry Rollins spoken word clip...
Posted on 12/17/12 at 10:34 am to Baloo
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1991 is the year punk broke.
If anyone hasnt seen that documentary (1991: The Year Punk Broke), its great... predates the Nirvana breakout (barely) and has incredible live footage...
Posted on 12/17/12 at 10:38 am to TFTC
Yeah, I was consciously making that reference. What's great is that it was filmed as a documentary on Sonic Youth, but things changed as they were making it. The opening act became the story.
I still use Flea's definition for alternative though: It means that you are European, have a female bandmember, or have a funny haircut. It works pretty well, though it does exclude Nirvana.
I still use Flea's definition for alternative though: It means that you are European, have a female bandmember, or have a funny haircut. It works pretty well, though it does exclude Nirvana.
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