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Used Gibson ES 335 value?

Posted on 6/28/23 at 8:41 pm
Posted by Jon A thon
Member since May 2019
2406 posts
Posted on 6/28/23 at 8:41 pm
Have an opportunity to pick up a 2019 Gibson Cherry dot ES 335. I know new is $3500 and see many lightly used at ~$3000. Think I can get it for ~$2000. Issue is I don't need this, haha. I want it, but it would be a splurge. Only thing making me think to jump now is that it just seems to be a great deal. Only way to compare pricing is reverb though. And I have no clue of those asking prices are ever actually the sold prices.

My plan is to buy this guitar in like a year or two. Is this a deal too good to pass up. All assuming it's in advertised condition (very light use marks). Opinions? Is this a deal I can hunt for in a year or two?

I'm a novice player but really have my eyes on a few classic styles I'd love to collect and share with my son over the years (ES 335, 57 Resissue Gold Top Les Paul, and a 60's reissue Strat are all on the list)
Posted by wareaglepete
Union of Soviet Auburn Republics
Member since Dec 2012
17700 posts
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:12 pm to
You know the difference between need and want?

I want this thing and I need you to leave me the hell alone about it.

Will you have a chance to check it out and play it before you buy it?
This post was edited on 6/29/23 at 12:20 am
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27592 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 5:21 am to
$2000 seems low. You’d have to catch somebody in a bind to let it go for $2000.

Unless 2019’s were a particularly bad year. I know Gibson QC can or could swing wildly.

ETA. I stand corrected. Damned iPhone always watching. A 2019 ES-335 was on my Facebook feed for $2300. If you trust the validity of a marketplace listing, I stand corrected.
This post was edited on 6/29/23 at 6:24 am
Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
Member since Feb 2010
27217 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 6:55 am to
I refuse to post on this thread because a hollow body is the last remaining piece of my guitar puzzle and I fear I will buy yet another guitar style before I have mastered all the guitars I already have.

Posted by SpyBoy
New Orleans
Member since May 2007
983 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 10:18 am to
If it's about owning an honest to goodness 335 then yea, that seems like a great price. I'd make sure there isn't anything else wrong under the surface.

Do you know the seller or at least know if they purchased new? Any repairs/mods? More intel is your friend.

If you just wanted a 335 "style" for gigging or home playing there are probably cheaper options that would serve you just as well, btw. But they would lack the brand name it seems you're after.
Posted by Jon A thon
Member since May 2019
2406 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 11:14 am to
I really want a Cherry Red 335. Just love the look of that guitar and the history. Plus, I'm willing to spend a little more as I know it's going to retain value as well. Can definitely spend less on an Epiphone, Gretsch, etc. but if I sold any of them in the future, I'd probably come out better on the Gibson in the end.

I know Gibson has had some QC issues. Honestly would like to find an older one. I believe people say quality really dropped post ~2007. But again, this could be a great deal.

Honestly was hoping to be told to stay away. I'm going to get in trouble with the wife for bringing this up.
Posted by SpyBoy
New Orleans
Member since May 2007
983 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 11:27 am to
quote:

I believe people say quality really dropped post ~2007

I don't really dive into the guitar board minutiae, but I'd have to imagine that anything "off" with a newer 335 is nothing a good setup can't fix. It's not like the formula has changed.

That being said, Gibson is being lapped by competitors for failing to innovate and continuing to have one of the higher price points around...
Posted by Jon A thon
Member since May 2019
2406 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 11:45 am to
quote:

I'd have to imagine that anything "off" with a newer 335 is nothing a good setup can't fix


I'd agree it's probably the case. Outside of maybe some lesser quality fretwork thats a bit moren involved to fix. But I'm not versed enough to tell anything but really badly dressed frets from good ones. In between is probably lost on me.

I agree the prices are high, but like I said, if they retain value, I don't care. As mentioned you can find a 90's until now example still selling in the same range. So if I'm in to this for 2000ish, but can sell for 2000 in 10 years, I have no issue. Not that I plan to sell, but just evaluating the value of the guitar to me.

Posted by SpyBoy
New Orleans
Member since May 2007
983 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 11:51 am to
it makes sense to me bro! good luck with the wife haha.
Posted by TheFretShack
Member since Oct 2015
1349 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 11:58 am to
I know Gibson has had some QC issues. Honestly would like to find an older one. I believe people say quality really dropped post ~2007. But again, this could be a great deal.

Gibson has suffered from QC and inconsistency from SN to SN for decades, as have most major brands that have high quantity demand. Doesn't really affect demand or value appreciation. What makes a guitar trash or treasure is subjectable, and if someone's buying and pleased with their purchase(s), it's a moot point.

Look at the absolutely ridiculous prices 70s Fenders and Gibsons currently command. That was the golden decade for both company's quantity-over-quality approach under CBS and Norlin respectively and subsequently meh product as a result. And many people still pay thousands for them swearing they are incredible. Who am I to argue?

On that note, you cannot go wrong with a cherry red 335 Dot, not only as a kickass player and a true slice of Americana but as a line item in an investment portfolio if you hang onto it long enough.
Posted by Jon A thon
Member since May 2019
2406 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 12:05 pm to
Just got wife approval....although it wasn't enthusiastic, haha
Posted by TheFretShack
Member since Oct 2015
1349 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 12:13 pm to
As for QC and inconsistencies ... the formulas and blueprints may have not changed, but the ingredients surely have.

You simply cannot get mahogany, rosewood or ebony as good today as you could 50 years ago, without spending a FORTUNE as a manufacturer. Mainly because you want old-growth woods, the woods have been overharvested, and even the greenest, most managed global resource stewardship cannot produce old growth hardwoods. The old-growth wood, well, it goes for a premium. Next time you scratch your head wondering about $3K, $4K, $6K, $8K guitars, look closely at the growth rings in the woods used to create it. That's why repurposed woods are all the rage among luthiers - not only is it conservation minded and good for not only the earth but for business in today's social and cultural climates ... it is simply the best way to get kickass wood in your build.

The magic of Fullerton-era Fender and McCarty-era Kalamazoo Gibson? That wonderful old growth wood, plus a fraction of the demand and subsequent quantity compared to today's global demand-fueled product output. Logs indicate Gibson made 434 Les Paul guitars in 1958 and 643 units in 1959. I can't find an exact number but I'd speculate that's about the number of units Nashville produces DAILY nowadays, of which most are various Les Paul models.

Wood is only one variable in the formula. Think about what it takes to produce say 300-400 high-end electric guitars a day, aka 40-50 guitars EVERY 60 MINUTES. From the number of employees with specialized skillsets, to how much time they can devote of their skillset to each unit that moves across their bench. Even if payroll wasn't an issue and you could fill the factory with the best of the best (and they don't) ... let's just thank gosh for modern tooling, CAD programming, CNC routing and pickup winding and other technologies that can work better, faster, longer and cheaper than humans.

It is amazing the guitars are as good as they are, quite honestly.

Posted by Jon A thon
Member since May 2019
2406 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 12:26 pm to
I'm into woodworking myself, so fully aware of what you're saying. Actually having an interest in guitars and woodworking has filled my YouTube feed woth luthier videos and I have a great appreciation for what you guys do. And now have an appreciation for custom shop pieces where wood selection is the biggest factor to me. I've got some detailed pictures and this guitar has some scratching in the nitro finish. Not that I'd even care to fix, but can you polish those out, or is the finish just too thin? Also some strange wear where the headstock meets the neck. Assuming it's from hanging on a wall mount, but I usually see discoloration more than the sheen wearing off.

This post was edited on 6/29/23 at 12:35 pm
Posted by Scatback1
Denham
Member since Dec 2021
750 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 12:56 pm to
Just got wife approval....although it wasn't enthusiastic, haha

When she shakes her head and askes... "How many guitars do you need to own"... respond... "IDK, How many pairs of shoes do you need to own" and duck.
Posted by TheFretShack
Member since Oct 2015
1349 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 2:52 pm to
What you describe at the headstock sounds like a chem reaction between the hanger's padding and the nitro. Wrap the padding with cotton cloth - aka a piece of old T-shirt.

To remove fine scratches, I wouldn't recommend more than the finest cut auto polishing compound. I'd personally take no action because as much can go wrong as can go right.
Posted by Jon A thon
Member since May 2019
2406 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 5:50 pm to
The guitar is now mine. Got it for $2100. The blemishes on the neck are difficult to find. The scratches on the front must be from cufflinks or a roght hand watch. They don't bother me at all. Hardly noticeable until you're up on it. Although I do still love my PRS Custom 24 se, this thing does sound sweet through the blues junior clean and I'm all giddy to play the limited amount I can play with it, haha.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53988 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 6:49 pm to
quote:

Look at the absolutely ridiculous prices 70s Fenders and Gibsons currently command. That was the golden decade for both company's quantity-over-quality approach under CBS and Norlin respectively and subsequently meh product as a result. And many people still pay thousands for them swearing they are incredible. Who am I to argue?


I own two Les Paul Deluxes made in the late 70's, one is a decent guitar and the other one needs work, both have the infamous Gibson mini humbucker microphonic pickups, so I guess I'm in agreement with you, 70's Gibson electrics are a definite dice roll.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30975 posts
Posted on 6/30/23 at 7:31 am to
When it's in your hand, does it play you? Is something magic happening, does it have something that inspires you?
If you pick it up and still play the same old thing, but it just sounds a little different, don't spend the money. Keep playing what you have, maybe make it better, and get better yourself. Wait for that perfect guitar.
My Takamine N10 sold the other day, such a fantastic guitar, but the cedar top just didn't have the sound I wanted. The guy that bought it, is a really great player, and the look on his face, when he first started playing it.. I just nod my head as he kept digging in.
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 7:55 am
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