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The #1 thing I hate about rap
Posted on 8/6/21 at 2:01 am
Posted on 8/6/21 at 2:01 am
I don’t necessarily hate rap all that much. In fact I like most rap from before 2012.
With Kanye West releasing his new album at some point, I was mildly intrigued as I like some of his stuff. Scrolling through Twitter tonight and saw that 28 different rappers are featured on the album.
And the worst part is, there are already people saying it’s gonna be a great album because of all the different people who have verses in the album. Kanye West is a strange strange dude, and I’d rather hear an album that is authentic and camd from his brain than a different shitty rapper every 30 seconds.
But that’s a huge problem with rap in general. People try to get big names to do 30 second parts to try and get more attention. I thought Kanye might be different but I guess not
With Kanye West releasing his new album at some point, I was mildly intrigued as I like some of his stuff. Scrolling through Twitter tonight and saw that 28 different rappers are featured on the album.
And the worst part is, there are already people saying it’s gonna be a great album because of all the different people who have verses in the album. Kanye West is a strange strange dude, and I’d rather hear an album that is authentic and camd from his brain than a different shitty rapper every 30 seconds.
But that’s a huge problem with rap in general. People try to get big names to do 30 second parts to try and get more attention. I thought Kanye might be different but I guess not
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Posted on 8/6/21 at 5:52 am to diddlydawg7
It exist.
Posted on 8/6/21 at 8:07 am to diddlydawg7
Well, to be fair to Kanye, he's been making music for 20+ years at this point. All artists have an expiration date on creativity no matter how talented or genius. Prince might have had one relevant album post 1990. Paul McCartney has had maybe 3 hits post 1980, and all 3 were duets with younger, more relevant artists - Michael Jackson and Stevie Wonder. There is a parallel here for Kanye.
I do agree on your point on rap in general, although it's also worth noting that it's kind of part of rap culture. Often times, these guys came from poverty and/or bad situations and got their foot in the door because a more established rapper gave them a verse on their record. They then pass the same opportunity on to help the next generation out. It's a pretty noble thing to do, but it does come at the expense of the music quality sometimes.
I do agree on your point on rap in general, although it's also worth noting that it's kind of part of rap culture. Often times, these guys came from poverty and/or bad situations and got their foot in the door because a more established rapper gave them a verse on their record. They then pass the same opportunity on to help the next generation out. It's a pretty noble thing to do, but it does come at the expense of the music quality sometimes.
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:03 am to diddlydawg7
The thing about Kanye is that his real talent is in producing and just creative track and concept development, not rapping. So his music ends up better when he has more features and less personal verses
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:08 am to diddlydawg7
I don’t like the sampled beats. Rap with a talented mc and a live band can be really dope.
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:08 am to Rand AlThor
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The #1 thing I hate about rap
The culture it created.
Posted on 8/6/21 at 10:00 am to Shanegolang
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It exist.
^This^
Beat me to it.
Posted on 8/6/21 at 10:18 am to diddlydawg7
How about shite lyrics that don’t make sense
Posted on 8/6/21 at 11:05 am to diddlydawg7
We need to repeal that law that mandates rappers shout out their names somewhere in each song.
I hear they get 25 years to life if they fail to do so. Ain't fair to the young lads.
I hear they get 25 years to life if they fail to do so. Ain't fair to the young lads.
Posted on 8/6/21 at 12:42 pm to diddlydawg7
Early during the Rap Era the genre seemed to have creativity, and actual musical value. Cf. LL Cool J, Salt 'N Pepa, En Vogue et al. Since about 2000, however, the majority of rap music is unadulterated trash.
Posted on 8/6/21 at 10:57 pm to diddlydawg7
Wholesome PG-rated stuff:
Principal's Office
Less PG-rated stuff:
OPP
Not a fan by any means but there was room on the dance floor for rap in the 80s.
Principal's Office
Less PG-rated stuff:
OPP
Not a fan by any means but there was room on the dance floor for rap in the 80s.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 3:10 am to diddlydawg7
quote:
The #1 thing I hate about rap
Everything about it
Posted on 8/7/21 at 1:06 pm to Rand AlThor
quote:
The thing about Kanye is that his real talent is in producing and just creative track and concept development, not rapping. So his music ends up better when he has more features and less personal verses
This. Think a better DJ khalid that can sing at least.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 2:11 pm to diddlydawg7
That some of them are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
This post was edited on 8/8/21 at 6:34 am
Posted on 8/7/21 at 3:04 pm to diddlydawg7
I think rap when utilized correctly is one of the most powerful forms of *musical* communication there is when it comes to explaining other perspectives that people might not understand intuitively.
The problem is 90% of it is mainstream pop culture reiterated and reinforced, which is extremely unappealing from an artistic standpoint. And is what causes what you’re talking about in your OP, people crafting albums specifically for commercial success.
Songs about twerking etc
I’ll be downvoted for this I’m sure but if you even look at a BR native, Kevin Gates, entire catalogue, you’ll actually find a very introspective perspective of what it’s like to come from a particular culture and an evolution over time of a person coming from the that unique perspective.
The problem is 90% of it is mainstream pop culture reiterated and reinforced, which is extremely unappealing from an artistic standpoint. And is what causes what you’re talking about in your OP, people crafting albums specifically for commercial success.
Songs about twerking etc
I’ll be downvoted for this I’m sure but if you even look at a BR native, Kevin Gates, entire catalogue, you’ll actually find a very introspective perspective of what it’s like to come from a particular culture and an evolution over time of a person coming from the that unique perspective.
This post was edited on 8/7/21 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 8/9/21 at 1:36 pm to Rand AlThor
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The thing about Kanye is that his real talent is in producing and just creative track and concept development, not rapping.
this can be said for almost all rap. the production (ie. beats) are good, but the lyrical content is pure garbage. A song can sound good even if the listener can't discern one thing the rapper is saying.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 2:34 pm to diddlydawg7
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And the worst part is, there are already people saying it’s gonna be a great album because of all the different people who have verses in the album.
Kanye's first 5-6 albums werent enough?
Also, people are saying it's already a great album because he's now streamed it in full twice, and it got great response. He's just tweaking it now based on that listening party, a thing that people used to do pre-COVID
Posted on 8/9/21 at 2:36 pm to 632627
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this can be said for almost all rap. the production (ie. beats) are good, but the lyrical content is pure garbage. A song can sound good even if the listener can't discern one thing the rapper is saying.
Not at all. As a (former) performing musician and producer myself, Kanye is really on a whole other level.
He's one of the best producers of our generation, which will often get overlooked bc of his antics.
I do get what you are saying though, a lot of rap (not Ye) does have outstanding (not Ye/Dre level) production but lazy, uninspired raps/flows.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 6:34 pm to diddlydawg7
Man, I don't know. I'm still an old school fan at heart, but some of the newer stuff like Playboi Carti is just kind of interesting purely for the way he uses his voice as another instrument. It's like weird experimental hypno drug music.
I've also really been liking stuff like Remble, Drakeo the Ruler, lately... maybe I'm just getting acculturated into the current hip hop movement, but I kind of like all this stuff.
Of course, there's still great stuff coming out that is throwback oriented like Griselda, Mach Hommy, etc...
I have a hard time, honestly, listening to today's hip hop and then going back and listening to the classics and saying, "Oh man, the classics are sooo much better." Today's stuff is honestly on a whole different level as far as the variety in beats, flows, and ad libs. A lot of it is kind druggy and weird, but it's also kind of interesting.
I've also really been liking stuff like Remble, Drakeo the Ruler, lately... maybe I'm just getting acculturated into the current hip hop movement, but I kind of like all this stuff.
Of course, there's still great stuff coming out that is throwback oriented like Griselda, Mach Hommy, etc...
I have a hard time, honestly, listening to today's hip hop and then going back and listening to the classics and saying, "Oh man, the classics are sooo much better." Today's stuff is honestly on a whole different level as far as the variety in beats, flows, and ad libs. A lot of it is kind druggy and weird, but it's also kind of interesting.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 7:55 pm to diddlydawg7
It is tricky to rock a ryme:
quote:
This speech is my recital, I think it's very vital To rock (a rhyme), that's right (on time) It's Tricky is the title, here we go... It's Tricky to rock a rhyme, to rock a rhyme that's right on time It's Tricky... it's Tricky (Tricky) Tricky (Tricky) It's Tricky to rock a rhyme, to rock a rhyme that's right on time It's Tricky... Tr-tr-tr-tricky (Tricky) Trrrrrrrrrrricky I met this little girlie, her hair was kinda curly Went to her house and bust her out, I had to leave real early These girls are really sleazy, all they just say is please me Or spend some time and rock a rhyme, I said "It's not that easy" It's Tricky to rock a rhyme, to rock a rhyme that's right on time It's Tricky...(How is it D?) It's Tricky (Tricky) Tricky (Trrrrrricky) It's Tricky to rock a rhyme, to rock a rhyme that's right on time It's Tricky... Tricky (Tricky) Tricky In New York the people talk and try to make us rhyme They really (hawk) but we just (walk) because we have no time And in the city it's a pity cos we just can't hide Tinted windows don't mean nothin', they know who's inside It's Tricky to rock a rhyme, to rock a rhyme that's right on time It's Tricky...(How is it D?) Tricky (Tricky) Tricky (Tricky) It's Tricky to rock a rhyme, to rock a rhyme that's right on time It's Tricky... Tricky (Tricky) Tricky (Tricky) huh! When I wake up people take up mostly all of my time I'm not singin', phone keep ringin' cos I make up a rhyme I'm not braggin', people naggin' cos they think I'm a star Always tearin' what I'm wearin', I think they're goin' too far A girl named Carol follows Daryll every gig we play Then D dissed her and dismissed her, now she's jockin' Jay I ain't lyin', girls be cryin' cos I'm on TV They even bother my poor father cos he's down with me It's Tricky to rock a rhyme, to rock a rhyme that's right on time It's Tricky...(How is it?) Tricky (Tricky) Tricky (Tricky) It's Tricky to rock a rhyme, to rock a rhyme that's right on time It's Tricky... Tr-tr-tr-tr-tr-tricky (Tr-Tr-Tr-Tricky) Tr-tr-tr... We are not thugs (we don't use drugs) but you assume (on your own) They offer coke (and lots of dope) but we just leave it alone It's like that y'all (y'all), but we don't quit You keep on (rock!) shock! Cos this is it...
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