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Songwriting at the Dawn of AI: When Machines Can Write, Who Is the Artist?
Posted on 4/2/24 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 4/2/24 at 4:34 pm
Music is either on the incline or decline. Crazy to me that some people don’t care where the music comes from.
I hate the idea of a machine writing the lyrics and producing the music. Are these “artist” going to have to legally say how their music(song) was made. I hope so. No talent music is the next generation of music.
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The Artist Rights Alliance (ARA) has issued an open letter condemning the use of artificial intelligence (AI) to infringe upon and devalue the rights of artists. The signatories, who span more than 200 artists,
I hate the idea of a machine writing the lyrics and producing the music. Are these “artist” going to have to legally say how their music(song) was made. I hope so. No talent music is the next generation of music.
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How to produce music with AI. AI generates algorithms and new music through analysing large amounts of musical data and learning the patterns of its composition. Once the tech has enough information, tools can learn the unique properties of music, and produce something new based on the data it received.
The Artist Rights Alliance (ARA) has issued an open letter condemning the use of artificial intelligence (AI) to infringe upon and devalue the rights of artists. The signatories, who span more than 200 artists,
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 6:37 pm to STigers
IMO there are positives to both. AI writing music doesn’t infringe upon artists’ rights. If an artist writes something worth listening to, it will be. I’d personally prefer music and lyrics written by a human but I also have no idea what I’ve heard that was written by AI so maybe I’m okay with that too.
But the bottom line is quality is quality and the public will likely consume that regardless of who wrote it.
But the bottom line is quality is quality and the public will likely consume that regardless of who wrote it.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 6:48 pm to STigers
AI is also the initials for American Idol. Coincidence?
Posted on 4/2/24 at 8:48 pm to STigers
If you told me AI wrote the most recent Metallica album, I’d believe you.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 10:15 pm to CocomoLSU
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I’d personally prefer music and lyrics written by a human
Posted on 4/2/24 at 10:16 pm to Hoodie
Pretty sure AI wrote Beyoncé Knowles new "country" song.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 7:12 pm to CocomoLSU
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AI writing music doesn’t infringe upon artists’ rights
The problem is AI is trained on their copyrighted music. (Same with artwork). Without the ability to train on these copyrighted data, there would be no AI art/music.
It's going to be a big legal battle and new laws will need to be written.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 11:13 am to CocomoLSU
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IMO there are positives to both. AI writing music doesn’t infringe upon artists’ rights. If an artist writes something worth listening to, it will be. I’d personally prefer music and lyrics written by a human but I also have no idea what I’ve heard that was written by AI so maybe I’m okay with that too.
But the bottom line is quality is quality and the public will likely consume that regardless of who wrote it.
This is true. What a lot of people are missing is that while AI is “trained” on copyrighted music, humans are influenced by copyrighted music too in the same exact way. Music evolved by building on what came before. Most of that was copyrighted, the rest public domain… the same exact stuff AI has to draw from.
It’s unclear how good AI is going to get at songwriting. IMO we’re really far off from AI writing an entire song with music / lyrics / production… like really far off… but lyrics it seems to be pretty close to there.
My guess is like most of the people in this thread, if word gets out that the lyrics are AI from a band (I have no idea why anyone would reveal that) they would not listen to that band and I don’t care how good the lyrics are. I compare it to chess matches. Back in the 90s it was a milestone that a supercomputer barely beat a grandmaster at chess ONE TIME. Nowadays, a smartphone can beat Magnus Carlsen every single time, EASILY. But guess what, no one wants to watch 2 smart phones play each other, and that will never change.
Machines in music are nothing new. In the 50s you used to need a whole production and a few weeks in the studio to crank out an album that went to #1. They recorded to tape. They used all hardware and no software because there was no such thing. Now you can theoretically do it with headphones, a laptop, and a microphone. 30 years ago they would use millions of dollars of gear including outboard gear / microphones / preamps/ compressors / distressors, etc… now you can get decently close to a million dollar sound for a few hundred.
I just see it as another tool. For the foreseeable future it will take a human to put it all together in a way that makes sense, no matter what. But yeah, going back to the chess example, I don’t think humans wanna see or hear machines do creative shite. It’s just not appealing. Eventually there will be a differentiation between AI created and human created and I wouldn’t be surprised if we’ll be able to tell the difference between the two. Same as you can tell the difference between a real piano and a fake one (even the nicest software plugins don’t beat a real piano). I dunno, that’s my more than 2 cents.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 3:49 pm to STigers
It'll be like any tool: used well by those able to incorporate it, horribly by those trying to exploit it, and en masse by the corporations trying to commodotize music.
I think the best quip about AI "content" that I've read was (paraphrased): why should I be bothered to read it if they couldn't be bothered to write it?
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The crucial part this omits is the spark of human emotion/inspiration/soul/etc that synthesizes those previous inputs and makes something entirely unique.
I think the best quip about AI "content" that I've read was (paraphrased): why should I be bothered to read it if they couldn't be bothered to write it?
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This is true. What a lot of people are missing is that while AI is “trained” on copyrighted music, humans are influenced by copyrighted music too in the same exact way. Music evolved by building on what came before. Most of that was copyrighted, the rest public domain… the same exact stuff AI has to draw from.
The crucial part this omits is the spark of human emotion/inspiration/soul/etc that synthesizes those previous inputs and makes something entirely unique.
This post was edited on 4/4/24 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 4/5/24 at 6:31 am to wesfau
Is there a difference btw using AI to write lyrics and auto-tune/voicebox by singers?
Posted on 4/5/24 at 8:18 am to BamaCoaster
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Is there a difference btw using AI to write lyrics and auto-tune/voicebox by singers?
Yes, absolutely.
Autotune is an effect applied to a creation.
AI is garbage regurgitation. It's predictive text, not a thinking machine.
Posted on 4/7/24 at 8:50 am to STigers
I love that Greta Van Fleet is on this list. They are pretty much a human version of AI ripping off Led Zeppelin.
Posted on 4/7/24 at 8:53 am to wesfau
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is garbage regurgitation. It's predictive text, not a thinking machine.
One could argue the same holds true for autotune. It's absolutely predictive, as it tries to decide what note the singer was attempting to hit and adjusting to it.
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