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NPR's Top 150 Albums by Women
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:34 am
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:34 am
NPR polled exclusively female music critics and had them come up with the top 150 albums in pop music by women. It's a neat list, or at least a counterpoint the cultural canon.
I've got some beefs with it (Sleater-Kinney way too law, no Neko Case or Throwing Muses, some weird line-drawing on what is a female artist, etc), but it was a cool endeavor...
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1. Joni Mitchell, Blue (Reprise, 1971)
2. Lauryn Hill, The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill (Ruffhouse/Columbia, 1998)
3. Nina Simone, I Put A Spell on You (Philips, 1965)
4. Aretha Franklin, I Never Loved a Man The Way I Loved You (Atlantic, 1967)
5. Missy Elliott, Supa Dupa Fly (The Goldmind/Elektra, 1997)
6. Beyoncé, Lemonade (Parkwood/Columbia, 2016)
7. Patti Smith, Horses (Arista, 1975)
8. Janis Joplin, Pearl (Columbia, 1971)
9. Amy Winehouse, Back To Black (Island, 2006)
10. Carole King, Tapestry (Ode, 1971)
11. Dolly Parton, Coat Of Many Colors (RCA Records, 1971)
12. Erykah Badu, Baduizm (Universal, 1997)
13. Madonna, Like a Prayer (Sire, 1989)
14. Whitney Houston, Whitney Houston (Arista, 1985)
15. Diana Ross and the Supremes, Where Did Our Love Go (Motown, 1964)
16. Fleetwood Mac, Rumours (Warner Bros., 1977)
17. Janet Jackson, Control (A&M, 1986)
18. Lucinda Williams, Car Wheels On A Gravel Road (Mercury, 1998)
19. Selena, Amor Prohibido (EMI Latin, 1994)
20. The Ronettes, Presenting the Fabulous Ronettes Featuring Veronica (Philles Records, 1964)
21. PJ Harvey, Rid Of Me (Island Records, 1993)
22. Sade, Diamond Life (Sony, 1984)
23. Aretha Franklin, Amazing Grace (Atlantic, 1972)
24. Loretta Lynn, Coal Miner's Daughter (Decca, 1970)
25. Ani Difranco, Little Plastic Castle (Righteous Babe Records, 1998)
I've got some beefs with it (Sleater-Kinney way too law, no Neko Case or Throwing Muses, some weird line-drawing on what is a female artist, etc), but it was a cool endeavor...
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1. Joni Mitchell, Blue (Reprise, 1971)
2. Lauryn Hill, The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill (Ruffhouse/Columbia, 1998)
3. Nina Simone, I Put A Spell on You (Philips, 1965)
4. Aretha Franklin, I Never Loved a Man The Way I Loved You (Atlantic, 1967)
5. Missy Elliott, Supa Dupa Fly (The Goldmind/Elektra, 1997)
6. Beyoncé, Lemonade (Parkwood/Columbia, 2016)
7. Patti Smith, Horses (Arista, 1975)
8. Janis Joplin, Pearl (Columbia, 1971)
9. Amy Winehouse, Back To Black (Island, 2006)
10. Carole King, Tapestry (Ode, 1971)
11. Dolly Parton, Coat Of Many Colors (RCA Records, 1971)
12. Erykah Badu, Baduizm (Universal, 1997)
13. Madonna, Like a Prayer (Sire, 1989)
14. Whitney Houston, Whitney Houston (Arista, 1985)
15. Diana Ross and the Supremes, Where Did Our Love Go (Motown, 1964)
16. Fleetwood Mac, Rumours (Warner Bros., 1977)
17. Janet Jackson, Control (A&M, 1986)
18. Lucinda Williams, Car Wheels On A Gravel Road (Mercury, 1998)
19. Selena, Amor Prohibido (EMI Latin, 1994)
20. The Ronettes, Presenting the Fabulous Ronettes Featuring Veronica (Philles Records, 1964)
21. PJ Harvey, Rid Of Me (Island Records, 1993)
22. Sade, Diamond Life (Sony, 1984)
23. Aretha Franklin, Amazing Grace (Atlantic, 1972)
24. Loretta Lynn, Coal Miner's Daughter (Decca, 1970)
25. Ani Difranco, Little Plastic Castle (Righteous Babe Records, 1998)
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:56 am to Baloo
The SJW is strong with this one.
But, seriously? No Heart? No Benetar? No Blondie? NO RONDSTADT (and she's latina, so there was even a SJW reason to include her)?
Honestly - the Top 4 in no particular order are in this Top 10: Blue, I Never Loved A Man, Pearl and Tapestry. The rest is all just bullshite posturing.
But, seriously? No Heart? No Benetar? No Blondie? NO RONDSTADT (and she's latina, so there was even a SJW reason to include her)?
Honestly - the Top 4 in no particular order are in this Top 10: Blue, I Never Loved A Man, Pearl and Tapestry. The rest is all just bullshite posturing.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:01 pm to Baloo
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5. Missy Elliott, Supa Dupa Fly (The Goldmind/Elektra, 1997)
Look...I'm the first to admit that I loathe this genre of music, but how in the hell is this a top 5 female album of all time? That is just moronic.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:28 pm to Baloo
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6. Beyoncé, Lemonade (Parkwood/Columbia, 2016)
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7. Patti Smith, Horses (Arista, 1975)
8. Janis Joplin, Pearl (Columbia, 1971)
9. Amy Winehouse, Back To Black (Island, 2006)
10. Carole King, Tapestry (Ode, 1971)
11. Dolly Parton, Coat Of Many Colors (RCA Records, 1971)
12. Erykah Badu, Baduizm (Universal, 1997)
13. Madonna, Like a Prayer (Sire, 1989)
14. Whitney Houston, Whitney Houston (Arista, 1985)
15. Diana Ross and the Supremes, Where Did Our Love Go (Motown, 1964)
16. Fleetwood Mac, Rumours (Warner Bros., 1977)
17. Janet Jackson, Control (A&M, 1986)
lolololol
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:15 pm to Baloo
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Albums by Women
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6. Beyoncé, Lemonade (Parkwood/Columbia, 2016)
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Jack White – featured artist (track 3), producer (track 3), bass guitar (track 3)
James Blake – featured artist (track 9), producer (track 9), piano (track 9), jupiter bass (track 1)
Kevin Garrett – producer (track 1), piano (track 1)
Diplo (Thomas Wesley Pentz) – producer (tracks 2, 11), drum programming (track 11), background vocals (track 11)
Ezra Koenig – producer (track 2)
Melo-X (Sean Rhoden) – producer (track 3), background vocals (track 2)
Diana Gordon – producer (track 4)
Boots – producer (track 5), synth arrangement (track 8), additional programming (track 10)
Dannyboystyles (Danny Schofield) – producer (track 5)
Ben Billions (Ben Diehl) – producer (track 5)
Alex Delicata – co-producer (track 6)
Mike Dean – producer (track 7), keyboards and drum programming (track 7) / track engineer (track 7)
Vincent Berry II – producer (track 8), piano (track 8)
Jonny Coffer (Jonathan Coffer) – producer (track 10)
King Henry (Henry Allen) – co-producer (track 11), background vocals (track 11), drum programming (track 11), guitar (track 11)
Mike Will Made It (Michael Len Williams II) – producer (track 12)
Pluss (Asheton Hogan) – co-producer (track 12)
Jeremy Mcdonald – producer (track 1)
Derek Dixie – co-producer (tracks 3, 6), additional drum programming (tracks 3, 11), additional production (track 5), additional instrumentation (track 5, 11), drums and drum programming (track 6), band session leader (track 6), assistant recording engineer (track 6), horns arrangement (tracks 11, 12)
Hit-Boy – co-producer (track 4)
Hazebanga – co-producer (track 4)
Just Blaze – producer (track 10)
Posted on 7/24/17 at 2:12 pm to SchwiftySzechuanRick
So you think Whitney Houston, The Supremes, Selena, The Ronettes, and Aretha Franklin had more to do with the song writing process than Beyonce?
Posted on 7/24/17 at 2:13 pm to Ace Midnight
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No Heart? No Benetar? No Blondie? NO RONDSTADT
Heart, Blondie, and Ronstadt were all on the list. Yet Patsy f'n Cline wasn't. And I'll die on the hill of Patti Smith's Horses being one of the foundational albums of modern rock n roll. I would have voted it #1, knowing Blue was gonna win.
Patti Smith was and is awesome. But I think the biggest oversight is the paucity of power pop, a genre dominated by female acts: Throwing Muses, Blake Babies, Helium, Juliana Hatfield Three, the Muffs, Belly, Dressy Bessy, etc.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 2:18 pm to Baloo
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Yet Patsy f'n Cline wasn't.
Showcase should be in the top 10 IMO.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 2:22 pm to Baloo
Liz Phair not high enough.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 2:29 pm to Baloo
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Heart, Blondie, and Ronstadt were all on the list.
I was going by the Top 25.
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Yet Patsy f'n Cline wasn't.
Almost "pre-album" though. And to be fair, Benetar wasn't a "great" album artist, either.
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Patti Smith's Horses being one of the foundational albums of modern rock n roll.
And, I think deserving of a Top 10 spot, but I was never much of a fan. Music remains pretty subjective. However, when the short memory and SJW-drive is so transparent, it's easy to dismiss the entire list.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 2:34 pm to Kayhill Brown
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So you think Whitney Houston, The Supremes, Selena, The Ronettes, and Aretha Franklin had more to do with the song writing process than Beyonce?
Beyonce's album is lauded as artistic genius by critics and fans. The value and quality of songwriting is often diminished by the involvement of more and more individuals. It's one of the many reasons why singer-songwriters are much more respected than pop artists (i.e., they write their own lyrics and arrangements).
In my opinion, the praise heaped on Aretha Franklin's work has less to do with the brilliance of her compositions. Instead, it is based more on her vocal performance and the musical accompaniment of the Muscles Shoals session musicians.
Of the 12 tracks on Lemonade only two have less than five writers credited. Aretha's I Never Loved a Man the Way I Love You only has more than two writers on one song. Yes, most of the album is comprised of covers, but that was par for the course in the world of soul and blues during that period.
I didn't say shite about any of those other artists you referenced. Again, I've never heard any of them praised for their artistic creativity and writing. There are people who legitimately think that Beyonce is a musical genius. It is for that reason why I cited all of the producers responsible for her latest "hit" record.
Also, anyone with a functioning pair of ears will say that regardless of songwriting involvement, Whitney Houston was the greater talent.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 2:41 pm to GEAUXT
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Look...I'm the first to admit that I loathe this genre of music, but how in the hell is this a top 5 female album of all time? That is just moronic.
Definitely isn't a top 5 female album of all time musically. I think it got that high because she was a woman who was extremely successful breaking into a genre dominated by male acts.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 2:44 pm to GEAUXT
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Look...I'm the first to admit that I loathe this genre of music, but how in the hell is this a top 5 female album of all time? That is just moronic.
What the top-25 demonstrates is the very thing I've come to expect from any sort of list by such a publication/organization (i.e., see Rolling Stone)...and that is that those responsible for these rankings have a hard-on for pop and hip-hop. For whatever reason, both of these genres have become the darlings of mainstream music critics for quite some time.
The absence of singer-songwriter, indie, alternative, rock, and country releases is absolutely staggering. Kudos to giving Joni Mitchell her just do with Blue, but there are so many fabulous artists who seem to be ignored.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 3:22 pm to SchwiftySzechuanRick
I don't mind a list made be female critics about female artists being pop-centric, as that is traditionally the genre women have had the most success. So it's the formative album for a lot of young girls. A lot of little girls were devoted to the Madonna v. Cyndi Lauper debate when I was a kid, and that's cool. I think a list like this should bring out those different icons.
But it also gives short shrift to the women in rock who could rock out, and ends up endorsing the view of pop music history that erases women from punk and post-punk, which is just silly. Sleater-Kinney is maybe the best band of the past 20 years, full stop. By putting them at #81 on a list of female artists, it unintentionally minimzies the role of women in rock. If the rockingest all-woman band can't get prime real estate on a list by and for women, why would anyone then believe they are one of the 10 best post-punk bands, regardless of gender?
I mean, even Juliana Hatfield famously stated women can't play the guitar. This list sort of endorses that view. Which is a shame, for obvious reasons. By X getting buried at #87 is absurd. And while we're mentioning modern artists on the list, no Courtney Barnett? Ex Hex? Charly Bliss? Diet Cig? Thao and the Get Down Stay Down? The Julie Ruin? Nice as frick? There's plenty of bad arse female artists right now.
But it also gives short shrift to the women in rock who could rock out, and ends up endorsing the view of pop music history that erases women from punk and post-punk, which is just silly. Sleater-Kinney is maybe the best band of the past 20 years, full stop. By putting them at #81 on a list of female artists, it unintentionally minimzies the role of women in rock. If the rockingest all-woman band can't get prime real estate on a list by and for women, why would anyone then believe they are one of the 10 best post-punk bands, regardless of gender?
I mean, even Juliana Hatfield famously stated women can't play the guitar. This list sort of endorses that view. Which is a shame, for obvious reasons. By X getting buried at #87 is absurd. And while we're mentioning modern artists on the list, no Courtney Barnett? Ex Hex? Charly Bliss? Diet Cig? Thao and the Get Down Stay Down? The Julie Ruin? Nice as frick? There's plenty of bad arse female artists right now.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 3:23 pm to Baloo
Does this really count?
16. Fleetwood Mac, Rumours (Warner Bros., 1977)
16. Fleetwood Mac, Rumours (Warner Bros., 1977)
Posted on 7/24/17 at 3:44 pm to Baloo
Did The Breeders show up at all?
Posted on 7/24/17 at 3:47 pm to Baloo
If Kanye sees Beyonce at #6 and a white girl at #1, he's going to burn down NPR's headquarters.
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 7/24/17 at 4:33 pm to AlxTgr
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Did The Breeders show up at all?
Last Splash at 144
Posted on 7/24/17 at 4:58 pm to Baloo
Jagged Little Pill should be top 5.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 4:59 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:so Heart was a band with dudes in it, as was Blondie, and Linda Rondstadt played with stone poneys.
No Heart? No Benetar? No Blondie? NO RONDSTADT
Pat Benatar is meh
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