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re: Most important rock band of the last 25 years?
Posted on 4/3/12 at 1:43 pm to LoveThatMoney
Posted on 4/3/12 at 1:43 pm to LoveThatMoney
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Didnt Metallica pretty much pioneer thrash metal which has since split into the myriad styles of metal we have today? If they arent the most important, they are certainly up there.
The only argument against Metallica is the "last 25 years" provision.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 1:45 pm to Jester
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anthony kiedis - is one of the best frontmen/ lyraciusts in the last 25 years without a doubt.
Oh brother... No no no.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 1:49 pm to Jester
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I'm not stressed at all.
wasn't necessarily aimed at you, just clicked on the last post at the time.
just seems like these discussions never end because people's opinions are involved. And everyone will never have the same opinion.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 1:50 pm to Jester
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The only argument against Metallica is the "last 25 years" provision.
Even with the 25 year provision I don't see how anyone can really exclude them. Justice and the Black Album both fall within the 25 year provision and as I stated earlier Metallica were living, breathing legends until they destroyed their rep with Load.
Even those who bemoaned that the black album was radio friendly have to admit that in terms of rock n roll, production and lyrical content it's one of the greatest rock n roll albums of all time. I'm not saying it's my favorite, but I won't discount the importance of the black album either.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 1:53 pm to Jester
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The only argument against Metallica is the "last 25 years" provision.
Holy shite. Has Metallica been around for over 25 years? God damn I didnt realize how old I am...
Posted on 4/3/12 at 1:53 pm to MStant1
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Even those who bemoaned that the black album was radio friendly have to admit that in terms of rock n roll, production and lyrical content it's one of the greatest rock n roll albums of all time
I usually ignore those people. Radio airtime was important to bands in those days. In the history of RnR, some great music was "radio friendly."
Posted on 4/3/12 at 1:54 pm to TheDoc
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Oh brother... No no no.
It's Italian.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 1:55 pm to MStant1
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Even with the 25 year provision I don't see how anyone can really exclude them.
I don't exclude them. That was more of a "Devil's advocate" type of statement.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 2:00 pm to Jester
Although not commercially successful, Husker Du/Bob Mould broke new ground. I can't even listen to Foo Fighters without thinking about Sugar's Copper Blue (which by the way is a top 100 Album of all time IMO).
Posted on 4/3/12 at 2:02 pm to Robin Masters
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Although not commercially successful, Husker Du/Bob Mould broke new ground. I can't even listen to Foo Fighters without thinking about Sugar's Copper Blue (which by the way is a top 100 Album of all time IMO).
Who?
Posted on 4/3/12 at 2:07 pm to MStant1
Sugar - Fortune Teller
Great album all the way through.
Hoover Dam
Great album all the way through.
Hoover Dam
This post was edited on 4/3/12 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 4/3/12 at 2:15 pm to Robin Masters
I can't believe someone discouted Nirvana while pimping the Screaming Trees, their contemporaries who were less successful and played pretty much the same style.
Nirvana was influential because it's when the underground poked their head into the mainstream. Now, were they lucky it was them? Surely. It could've 20 other bands, but it wasn't. Nirvana was the one who caught the zeitgeist. But Nrivana, and really all of the sub Pop bands, was when punk went mainstream and there was a brief period in which the most artistically ambitious pop music was also the most successful (though it did end badly with Creed and Bush).
Sure, Nirvana only played four chords. So did the Ramones. Are we gonna argue the Ramones weren't influential? That's just musician snobbery, and musicians will ruin rock n roll because rock is not, nor has it ever been, about technical proficiency. If it were, you'd be listening to jazz or classical. Even the most intricate rock song is probably only a 2 or a 3 on a 1-10 scale of musical compelxity.
Nirvana's influence is as a gateway drug to the underground. They introduce millions of kids to the Meat Puppets, the Melvins, even Leadbelly (and shamefuly, probably David Bowie). Bands like that have imemsne value. They get kids interested in music, while critics are busy diddling over who is the best guitarist. who gives a shite?
Nirvana was influential because it's when the underground poked their head into the mainstream. Now, were they lucky it was them? Surely. It could've 20 other bands, but it wasn't. Nirvana was the one who caught the zeitgeist. But Nrivana, and really all of the sub Pop bands, was when punk went mainstream and there was a brief period in which the most artistically ambitious pop music was also the most successful (though it did end badly with Creed and Bush).
Sure, Nirvana only played four chords. So did the Ramones. Are we gonna argue the Ramones weren't influential? That's just musician snobbery, and musicians will ruin rock n roll because rock is not, nor has it ever been, about technical proficiency. If it were, you'd be listening to jazz or classical. Even the most intricate rock song is probably only a 2 or a 3 on a 1-10 scale of musical compelxity.
Nirvana's influence is as a gateway drug to the underground. They introduce millions of kids to the Meat Puppets, the Melvins, even Leadbelly (and shamefuly, probably David Bowie). Bands like that have imemsne value. They get kids interested in music, while critics are busy diddling over who is the best guitarist. who gives a shite?
Posted on 4/3/12 at 2:17 pm to MStant1
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Who?
Husker Du is the band Green Day was ripping off. Actually, I think every critic who compared American idiot to Tommy should have been fired on the spot, as it follows the same exact structure as Zen Arcade (which is an awesome, awesome album, BTW... but in 1984).
Posted on 4/3/12 at 2:19 pm to Baloo
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Husker Du is the band Green Day was ripping off. Actually, I think every critic who compared American idiot to Tommy should have been fired on the spot, as it follows the same exact structure as Zen Arcade (which is an awesome, awesome album, BTW... but in 1984).
Ah I am fairly ignorant of the punk genre.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 2:27 pm to MStant1
Posted on 4/3/12 at 2:33 pm to Baloo
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Nirvana was influential because it's when the underground poked their head into the mainstream. Now, were they lucky it was them? Surely. It could've 20 other bands,
Nirvana was the face of a music scene that already existed and were at the right place, right time. I think people just get caught up in dissing Nirvana because it's the popular thing to do though. I am not much of a fan, like other contemporary bands much better but I find it laughable for people to belittle Nirvana as much as they do.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 2:42 pm to Robin Masters
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Punk is the greatest genre of them all! One of my favorites:
Meh, I kinda hate punk. I just don't enjoy it.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 2:44 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Nirvana was the face of a music scene that already existed and were at the right place, right time. I think people just get caught up in dissing Nirvana because it's the popular thing to do though. I am not much of a fan, like other contemporary bands much better but I find it laughable for people to belittle Nirvana as much as they do.
Notice I never said they were a bad band. They actually had a couple of damn strong albums, but just as you're saying some people love to tear them down, the vast majority totally overrate their influence.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 2:50 pm to Jester
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Notice I never said they were a bad band. They actually had a couple of damn strong albums, but just as you're saying some people love to tear them down, the vast majority totally overrate their influence.
Course the next thing we could try to argue is what defines "influence". It's sometimes hard to hear what influences a band. Nirvana at one point stated they had some influence from Celtic Frost. Seriously. Jim Morrison of the Doors stated that Frank Sinatra influenced his vocal style.
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