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re: Most important rock band of the last 25 years?
Posted on 4/3/12 at 12:51 pm to TheDoc
Posted on 4/3/12 at 12:51 pm to TheDoc
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I still remember that music video of them in the gym. Nirvana embodied the culture of the youth of America at the time. Teen angst was at an all time high.
That's kind of BS. Teen angst is always at an all time high.
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Posted on 4/3/12 at 12:53 pm to MStant1
I'm going to get a lot of hate for this, but I'm going to say it anyways.
While in no way original or innovative can we have a discussion about bands of the last 25 years without including Creed in the discussion?
:::Ducks:::
While in no way original or innovative can we have a discussion about bands of the last 25 years without including Creed in the discussion?
:::Ducks:::
Posted on 4/3/12 at 12:55 pm to H-Town Tiger
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This could not be more wrong, before Nirvana, hair metal was the rage. After Nirvana it was a totally different scene. Grunge and "alternative" was pushed onto the masses AFTER, not before Nirvana.
Sorry, but those styles and sounds were being made 15 years before Kurt Cobain wrote his first narcissistic poem. But you contend that Nirvana gave birth to Meat Puppets. Derp the derp with a derpy derp.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 12:56 pm to TheDoc
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I still remember that music video of them in the gym. Nirvana embodied the culture of the youth of America at the time. Teen angst was at an all time high.
Again, their popularity is a product of this angst, not the other way around. They did not create grunge.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 12:57 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Wow, again, more nonsense, are just trying to be a Jester? No one said The Beatles did not "invent" music, they were however massively influential and lead changing styles.
They were a product of label marketing just like Nirvana and New Kids on the Block. I know it's hard to imagine, but you were told what to like.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 12:57 pm to Jester
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Again, their popularity is a product of this angst, not the other way around. They did not create grunge.
And Elvis didn't create Rock n Roll, but the influence is undeniable.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 1:02 pm to Jester
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Nirvana and Pearl Jam are busted, as well. The Pixies and Neil Young beat them to their acts.
not really. The Pixies comp is usually Smeels Like Teen spirit, which really does follow the Pixies format of softLOUDsoft. But, as much as this hurts me to say, Cobain's a better songwriter than Black Francis. And Dave Groehl's drums are a huge difference in sound. Nirvana is far more punk influenced than the Pixies as well, though obviously both come from that scene. Also, one of the real strengths of the Pixies was the interplay between Kim Deal and Black Francis, clearly something that does not exist on Nirvana albums. Nirvana wrote better pop hooks and had, for lack of a better word, grungery imagery than the Pixies sometimes ethereal or even goofy work. They are similar bands, and Pixies are a clear influence, but they aren't just regurgitated Pixies.
And Pearl Jam is really just an arena rock band. They are the Aeromsith of the 90s. Which is not a bad gig if you can get it.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 1:03 pm to MStant1
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I think it could be argued that hair metal was already on the way out and that Nirvana was essentially just the last nail in the coffin that was already a dying genre
I agree with that. Guns and Roses may have had more to do with ending Hair Metal than Nirvana (another Band we could include) though I'd argue Hair Metal is one of those trends thats just doomed to fail sooner rather than later because its essentially a form of sell out. A softening of Heavy Metal to make it more radio friendly and appeal to a broader audience (read chicks). Similar to the way punk kind of evoloves into new wave or funk gives way to disco.
Back to Nirvana, We did go thru a year or so before Nirvana with nothing really exciting going on. The big albums of 91 before Nevermind were Michael Jackson's Black and White and Garth Brooks. They really turned the world upside down at the time and ushered in an exciting new trend, even if they were influenced by others in the underground scene.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 1:03 pm to MStant1
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And Elvis didn't create Rock n Roll, but the influence is undeniable.
The point is Nirvana was just the dumbed down version of grunge for the masses. That's why they hit it big. They did not create the genre in any way. That insinuation is insulting to bands like The Melvins, Screaming Trees, Sonic Youth, etc.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 1:04 pm to MStant1
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That's kind of BS. Teen angst is always at an all time high.
not really in pop music, at least at that time.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 1:08 pm to Jester
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Sorry, but those styles and sounds were being made 15 years before Kurt Cobain wrote his first narcissistic poem
I never said they invented anything and earlier I said everyone is influenced by someone else.
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But you contend that Nirvana gave birth to Meat Puppets. Derp the derp with a derpy derp.
I never mentioned the meat puppets, go put your tinfoil hate on and play with your strawman somewhere else a-hole. This was an interesting discussion before you chimed in, congrats.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 1:08 pm to H-Town Tiger
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They really turned the world upside down at the time and ushered in an exciting new trend, even if they were influenced by others in the underground scene.
Agreed. Nirvana made the biggest impact in the music industry and American culture than any other band in the last 25 years.
They helped kill off bullshite hair metal and cobain became the voice of a generation IMO.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 1:10 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I never mentioned the meat puppets, go put your tinfoil hate on and play with your strawman somewhere else a-hole. This was an interesting discussion before you chimed in, congrats.
Sensitive much?
Sorry, but I think Nirvana is the most overrated band of the last 25 years. I don't let popularity drive my thoughts, though.This post was edited on 4/3/12 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 4/3/12 at 1:11 pm to Jester
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The point is Nirvana was just the dumbed down version of grunge for the masses. That's why they hit it big. They did not create the genre in any way. That insinuation is insulting to bands like The Melvins, Screaming Trees, Sonic Youth, etc.
Nirvana wrote catchy rock songs and influenced an entire generation.
They didn't create the genre, but they were the most popular band in mainstream music from 1992-1994
Posted on 4/3/12 at 1:12 pm to TheDoc
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Nirvana wrote catchy rock songs and influenced an entire generation.
They didn't create the genre, but they were the most popular band in mainstream music from 1992-1994
Backstreet Boys were the most popular band at one point, too.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 1:12 pm to Jester
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Sensitive much. Sorry, but I think Nirvana is the most overrated band of the last 25 years. I don't let popularity drive my thoughts, though.
Just think about how many bands today were influenced by nirvana, and bands that were influenced by nirvana.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 1:15 pm to Jester
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I know it's hard to imagine, but you were told what to like.
oh, my bad, I forgot about the men in black suits that decide in advance what trends will be popular.
Groups like Nirvana and the Beatles are nothing like NKOTB. They may have gotten popular because the marketing arm of some major record label pushed them out there, got them airplay. But I would contend you have it backwards. The marketing people do not decide what the trend will be, they follow it and take it to the mainstream. Sure they were in the right place at the right time. If the time wasn't right for Nirvana, they would probably have still done a lot of what they did before signing with Geffen and been part of the scene.
The Beatles were one of the first acts (please note one of the first does not mean the absolute first) to write their own songs. They also were one of the pioneers of creating albums and longer songs.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 1:16 pm to TheDoc
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Just think about how many bands today were influenced by nirvana, and bands that were influenced by nirvana.
I think that's overstated, as well. How do you define influence from such a generic sound? "Oh, look, they played 4 power chords in a row! Nirvana influence!" I just don't think they introduced much in the way of innovation to be considered influential. To me, influence comes from introduction. If you aren't introducing something new, your influence is no more than a sway.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 1:19 pm to TheDoc
not sure what makes a band"important". But, can U2 join the discussion?
Posted on 4/3/12 at 1:19 pm to Jester
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I just don't think they introduced much in the way of innovation to be considered influential.
Nirvana wasn't/isn't influential?
News to me and everyone else in the world
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