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re: Metallica Whiskey/Hetfield in Rehab
Posted on 9/15/20 at 11:46 pm to Saint Alfonzo
Posted on 9/15/20 at 11:46 pm to Saint Alfonzo
quote:Yeah. I've never heard poppier tunes than Of Wolf and Man or My Friend of Misery.
Lol. Oh, I see the butt hurt Metallitard has arrived.
I wonder if it was Desmond Child or Stevie Wonder that ghost wrote those tunes for the band.
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Posted on 9/16/20 at 2:38 am to Big Scrub TX
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Yeah. I've never heard poppier tunes than Of Wolf and Man or My Friend of Misery. I wonder if it was Desmond Child or Stevie Wonder that ghost wrote those tunes for the band.
No, it was Bob Rock who smoothed out the edges and made them radio friendly.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:27 am to Saint Alfonzo
“Oooohhh, look at me, I’m edgy. I’m calling any Metallica song under 8 minutes ‘pop music’.”
Posted on 9/16/20 at 10:05 am to TigrrrDad
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“Oooohhh, look at me, I’m edgy. I’m calling any Metallica song under 8 minutes ‘pop music’.”
I didn't do that, strawman.
From Revolver Magazine:
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Metallica were arguably the biggest underground band in the world when they set upon making the follow-up to 1988's ...And Justice for All, but the creative and commercial leap they made with their 1991 self-titled LP — better known as the "Black Album" is still mind-blowing, even in retrospect. Justice's sprawling, intricate, multi-part political epics were focused into concise, personal heavy pop songs;
It's a pop record, dude. Nothing wrong with that, it keeps the pool heated. The opening song of the record is a kid's bedtime lullaby, ffs. Not exactly edgy, is it? I bought the black album when it came out, listened to it for a couple of weeks and then gave it away.
This post was edited on 9/17/20 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 9/16/20 at 10:24 am to Saint Alfonzo
quote:Yes. I remember hearing The God That Failed all over the radio.
No, it was Bob Rock who smoothed out the edges and made them radio friendly.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 10:31 am to Saint Alfonzo
quote:Terrible "analysis". One was a MASSIVE success on MTV. There was no more "underground" after that. Hell, they were nominated for the infamous Jethro Tull Grammy that very year.
Metallica were arguably the biggest underground band in the world when they set upon making the follow-up to 1988's ...And Justice for All,
quote:And just because it isn't prog-thrash, doesn't mean it's "pop". I will agree that Sandman and Nothing fit that description. There's no way to agree that Of Wolf and Man does.
Justice's sprawling, intricate, multi-part political epics were focused into concise, personal heavy pop songs;
quote:Like he said - you're one edgy dude. Let me guess - you also guessed the ending of The 6th Sense only 5 minutes into the movie?
I bought the black album when it came out, listened to it for a couple of weeks and then gave it away.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 10:36 am to Big Scrub TX
I've never understood what's criminal about a metal band writing a song that's catchy but still heavy. Go back as far as Metallica's debut record, Kill 'Em All. Tracks like Jump in the Fire, Motorbreath, and Seek and Destroy are all rippin' metal tunes, but they're also quite catchy and are built using a traditional pop song structure. Is there anything wrong with that? Not to me. I don't want listening to music to be similar to doing algebra homework. If you've got the tunes, write 'em!
Posted on 9/16/20 at 10:59 am to Hoodie
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I've never understood what's criminal about a metal band writing a song that's catchy but still heavy. Go back as far as Metallica's debut record, Kill 'Em All. Tracks like Jump in the Fire, Motorbreath, and Seek and Destroy are all rippin' metal tunes, but they're also quite catchy and are built using a traditional pop song structure. Is there anything wrong with that? Not to me. I don't want listening to music to be similar to doing algebra homework. If you've got the tunes, write 'em!
Here's the thing, I agree with you completely. There's nothing wrong with a metal band writing songs that are poppy. Somehow, acknowledging that Metallica went pop is edgy, whatever that is supposed to mean.
This post was edited on 9/16/20 at 11:00 am
Posted on 9/16/20 at 11:48 am to Saint Alfonzo
I hear ya'. I love Metallica, but there's no denying their popularity is more in line with Taylor Swift or U2 than Morbid Angel or Iced Earth. "Sandman" is played constantly at big-time sporting events and "Fuel" is on a Dodge truck commercial. They're a pop act, by some definitions.
What really got under my skin was when they "returned to their roots" with albums like Death Magnetic and Hardwired. I stuck by them through the Black Album and the Load era. They told the press every chance they got that they were "evolving" and "wouldn't be put in a box, creatively." Then they said frick all that and tried to write like 20-year-olds again. It came off contrived to this listener.
What really got under my skin was when they "returned to their roots" with albums like Death Magnetic and Hardwired. I stuck by them through the Black Album and the Load era. They told the press every chance they got that they were "evolving" and "wouldn't be put in a box, creatively." Then they said frick all that and tried to write like 20-year-olds again. It came off contrived to this listener.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 1:43 pm to Hoodie
quote:Agreed. And they obviously had ballads on Ride and Puppets as well.
I've never understood what's criminal about a metal band writing a song that's catchy but still heavy. Go back as far as Metallica's debut record, Kill 'Em All. Tracks like Jump in the Fire, Motorbreath, and Seek and Destroy are all rippin' metal tunes, but they're also quite catchy and are built using a traditional pop song structure. Is there anything wrong with that? Not to me. I don't want listening to music to be similar to doing algebra homework. If you've got the tunes, write 'em!
Posted on 9/16/20 at 1:43 pm to Saint Alfonzo
quote:It's not pop, though.
Somehow, acknowledging that Metallica went pop
Posted on 9/16/20 at 2:14 pm to Ace Midnight
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I guess because I was slow to warm up to them - I didn't really get it until ...And Justice for All,
I'm so cool I stopped listening after One played non-stop on MTV.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 2:26 pm to Big Scrub TX
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It's not pop, though.
Perhaps not. But it's catchy and it's undeniably "pop-ular," which is what sparks the debate. Since Metallica has never and will never be played on pop radio, I'd have to say that ultimately, they're not a pop act. But the Black Album just broke Billboard records by being on the album charts for nearly thirty years. A lot of people like Metallica.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 3:06 pm to Hoodie
quote:Yes. Metallica's great accomplishment was mainstreaming metal. It's hard to overstate what a game-changer One was. They were playing that shite at middle school dances and even the girls were into it.
Perhaps not. But it's catchy and it's undeniably "pop-ular," which is what sparks the debate. Since Metallica has never and will never be played on pop radio, I'd have to say that ultimately, they're not a pop act. But the Black Album just broke Billboard records by being on the album charts for nearly thirty years. A lot of people like Metallica.
I'll obviously acknowledge that the Black Album relied more on "standard" song structures as opposed to being pure prog thrash (e.g. Disposable Heroes, Frayed Ends of Sanity). But it was still heavy and awesome.
They're the biggest metal act of all time. James is King. All well-earned and rightfully so.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 7:09 pm to Saint Alfonzo
For the record, Enter Sandman was orginally written as a song about SIDS, aka crib death.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 7:51 pm to WAY2GOLSU
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For the record, Enter Sandman was orginally written as a song about SIDS, aka crib death.
Yeah, I know that. Bob Rock and Lars made James change the lyrics, hence the lullaby it turned into.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:49 pm to Hoodie
That’s a good point and I don’t really buy his arguement. Given his history of trying to stay sober and the problems they’ve seen it cause I don’t think selling whiskey is the best move. At the very least to show James support. I guess the almighty dollar comes above all else.
Well they’re right, it doesn’t mean that you couldn’t sell sweets. But given the problems it caused you maybe doing so wouldn’t be the most noble of endevours.
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If I were a diabetic, that wouldn't mean that I couldn't sell sweets."
Well they’re right, it doesn’t mean that you couldn’t sell sweets. But given the problems it caused you maybe doing so wouldn’t be the most noble of endevours.
This post was edited on 9/16/20 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 9/16/20 at 11:57 pm to Hoodie
quote:Eh. I don't think this is fair. The time between Load and Death Magnetic was 12 years - i.e. the same amount of time between Load and Ride. I don't see what's contrived about going "full circle". Death Magnetic was great. Hardwired is pretty good too.
What really got under my skin was when they "returned to their roots" with albums like Death Magnetic and Hardwired. I stuck by them through the Black Album and the Load era. They told the press every chance they got that they were "evolving" and "wouldn't be put in a box, creatively." Then they said frick all that and tried to write like 20-year-olds again. It came off contrived to this listener.
Posted on 9/17/20 at 8:53 am to Saint Alfonzo
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The Black album pretty much ended my fandom of Metallica.
Same. While it's not a "bad" record, it's not particularly good either. It's highly overrated, and it's the first non-Metallica record they put out. It was the beginning of their sellout
Posted on 9/17/20 at 12:03 pm to Big Scrub TX
I'm a long-time fan of the band and don't care one way or the other about the "sell-out" argument. I understand that business is business and no one forms a band to play clubs forever and not make money.
It was recently announced that Metallica is re-working "Nothing Else Matters" and the new version will be used as part of the score to the upcoming Disney film "Jungle Cruise." That should throw more fuel on the "sellout" fire!
It was recently announced that Metallica is re-working "Nothing Else Matters" and the new version will be used as part of the score to the upcoming Disney film "Jungle Cruise." That should throw more fuel on the "sellout" fire!
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