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re: Keith Moon & John Entwistle vs. John Bonham & John Paul Jones

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Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 11:16 am to
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I didn't want to go for the tried and true Led Zeppelin vs. The Who debate, but rather focus on this specific part.


Oh, I got that part of it - and it is a "legit" discussion.

Ultimately, however, it comes down to your tastes - LZ had a far more traditional, solid rhythm section, and The Who was really an avant garde experiment - part jazz, part rock, part "something new" - the contrast between the stoic, practically made of stone Entwistle, and his hyperkinetic drummer, Moon "The Loon" - was more obvious than the raw, manual labor-developed power of Bonham, partnered the "Swiss Army Knife" musical genius of JPJ, although there were similar contrasts.

Watching live shows with Bonham, rather leisurely hitting all of his fills crisply, chewing gum, laughing with the roadies, or whatever, compared to Jones, in some cases intently playing an acoustic guitar AND bass pedals simultaneously (e.g. Ten Years Gone) - is not as obvious as being unnerved by Entwistle not moving anything but his fingers, while Moon all but left the arena while playing fill...after fill...after fill...after fill...

I'm more of a tradtionalist - if "drafting" a band from the old rock gods - I'd be much more likely to add JPJ and Bonham, precisely because of their more broad appeal, and more universally useable skills - but neither of them could be in the rhythm section of The Who.

Does that make sense?
Posted by Dave England
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 11:52 am to
i vote kafka for worst poster ever ever ever
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:05 pm to
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i vote kafka for worst poster ever ever ever
Posted by Dandy Lion
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:10 pm to
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Keith Moon & John Entwistle vs. John Bonham & John Paul Jones

Ali vs. Frazier
Posted by Tigris
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:24 pm to
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I think Live at Leeds puts Moon and Entwistle over the top.


And Quadrophenia. Definitely a personal preference thing; I still listen to those two albums very frequently.
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 1:14 pm to
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I'm more of a tradtionalist - if "drafting" a band from the old rock gods - I'd be much more likely to add JPJ and Bonham, precisely because of their more broad appeal, and more universally useable skills - but neither of them could be in the rhythm section of The Who.

This is a great point. Keith Moon is such a unique player, he probably couldn't have been in any other band except the Who. No one else plays like the Who, and no one plays like Moon. The Who used the drums like most bands use the guitar or keyboards, which makes him so wonderfully unique.
Posted by OldTigahFot
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 1:16 pm to
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I just think that The Who was much better live


Agreed. They are the third best live concert I've ever seen, behind Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin.
Posted by Dandy Lion
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 1:23 pm to
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Agreed. They are the third best live concert I've ever seen, behind Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin.

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OldTigahFot
apropo.
Posted by Srbtiger06
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 1:51 pm to
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The Who used the drums like most bands use the guitar or keyboards, which makes him so wonderfully unique.



Yup. In some ways (and I'm about to catch huge amounts of shite for this) Lars Ulrich did the same thing IMO on some of Metallica's early stuff. Not nearly to the extent that Moon/Who did but you can hear the influence.

I love Moon, but I'm taking Bonham. Phyiscal Graffiti is such a versatile album and he plays it flawlessly. He could play virtually anything. Poor Tom, Kashmir, Immigrant Song, Since I've Been Loving You, Achilles' Last Stand...all great tracks.

Entwistle was great as well so I give him the nod over JPJ strictly on bass. JPJ could groove, but not like Entwistle.

As a pair...IDK. Probably going Zeppelin just because they're one of my favorites.
Posted by TFTC
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 2:01 pm to
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Do you just hate good music or something?


I dont hate LZ, just dont really care for their music... Plants voice is probably the main reason..

Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 2:05 pm to
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I'm taking Bonham


Heck, let's take one track - When the Levee Breaks - really a meandering, mediocre take on the black man's blues, if you ask me - WITHOUT Bonham's drums.

WITH Bonham's incredible track, reportedly recorded at the bottom of a stairwell to get the full echo and resonance effect, that is one of the greatest songs in rock and roll history.
This post was edited on 2/11/14 at 2:39 pm
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 2:07 pm to
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Plants voice is probably the main reason
Posted by HeadyBrosevelt
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 2:31 pm to
My favorite performance by each:

Entwistle - The Real Me

Moon - Heaven & Hell

Jones - The Lemon Song

Bonham - When the Levee Breaks
Posted by Srbtiger06
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 2:44 pm to
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Ace Midnight


Since I've Been Loving You is similar IMO. If there were such a thing as playing "blues drums" that would be a shining example
Posted by lsu2006
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 2:51 pm to
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Bonham - When the Levee Breaks

How Many More Times FTW
Posted by ForeLSU
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:49 pm to
Bonham/Jones performance in Nobody's Fault But Mine is one of their best, IMO.

Posted by Cdawg
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 4:05 pm to
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Do you mean Neil Peart?
who?

No, Keith Moon played with the Who. Neil Peart is the drummer for Rush.
Posted by Cdawg
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 4:12 pm to
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Bonham - When the Levee Breaks

That sounds like that Beastie Boys song.

Because Mutiny on the bounty is what we'er all about...
Posted by Sayre
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Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 7:40 pm to
I was mildly floored when I was watching the Classic Albums series on 'Who's Next' when right at the beginning there's Entwistle, playing some crazy shite, when asked about his influences the first name he mentioned was J.P.J.

Admittedly J.E. was pretty much one of the best ever to pick up his instrument, but J.P.J. is no slouch and nobody fit into the groove better than he did with Bonham. Add in his multi-instrument virtuosity and engineering and production skills, and you have a package that's hard to top.

While I'm not the biggest who fan, I can tell that Moon was an awesome drummer. Bonham just appeals to me more and I find his work more memorable.
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