- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Is Phish a Great Band?- grantland article
Posted on 6/5/13 at 9:15 am to Burt Reynolds
Posted on 6/5/13 at 9:15 am to Burt Reynolds
quote:To do what? Agree with the article? yeah brah so butthurt brah
and here come the butthurt widespread panic fans just in time.
0
Posted on 6/5/13 at 9:15 am to Burt Reynolds
I love the insecurity. I mention nothing about comparing WSP to anyone else yet that's what the miserable troll hears.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 9:15 am to CottonWasKing
quote:
Other than heady getting his signature WSP jab in WSP has miraculously stayed out. I thought it was a great article btw
Thats what i was referring to, as well as the part about jerry cosigning phish.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 9:21 am to rutiger
quote:
Thats what i was referring to, as well as the part about jerry cosigning phish.
quote:
To do what? Agree with the article? yeah brah so butthurt brah
quote:
I love the insecurity. I mention nothing about comparing WSP to anyone else yet that's what the miserable troll hears.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 9:31 am to CaptainPanic
I have barely been around here lately. That thread I was talking about earlier was probably two weeks ago.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 9:47 am to rutiger
quote:
as well as the part about jerry cosigning phish.
heady putting words in a dead man's mouth.
Why does Phish being or not being a great band have anything to do with Jerry Garcia, WSP or the damn Disco Biscuits?
I think they are pretty damn good. I don't think they are gods among men, the way some seem to think.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 9:50 am to TexasTiger1185
quote:
Why does Phish being or not being a great band have anything to do with Jerry Garcia, WSP or the damn Disco Biscuits? I think they are pretty damn good. I don't think they are gods among men, the way some seem to think.
It's the jam band tier system that is throwing everyone off I think.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 10:01 am to rutiger
quote:
If this is how things play out, our theoretical rock critic in the year 2063 will look back at the late '90s as a turning point — record sales peaked, Napster made file-sharing accessible to millions, and a band called Phish presented an alternative model in which memorable live experiences mean at least as much as iconic songs, and high-grossing tours measure an artist's reach as well as chart-topping albums do. This is how Phish is "good." It could soon be how all music is good.
Would be incredible if the music industry becomes less focused on album sales and more dependent on live performances. It would certainly weed out a lot of bullshite artists. But, then again, there are some bands that I prefer their studio work to their live shows, i.e. The Flaming Lips, so I have mixed emotions regarding this statement.
Good read. Thanks for posting this article rutiger.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 10:04 am to Sublime
Would certainly be a whole new landscape. I also liked the comment the author made about how with phish, the more you put in so to speak the more you get out. Very true statement that I hadn't thought of in that way before. Similar to how reading a great book or watching a great comedy (Big Lebowski for example) multiple times lets you start to ignore the story because you know what is going to happen and focus more on the little idiosyncrasies of the characters more.
The author may have been quoting someone else with that comment though.
The author may have been quoting someone else with that comment though.
This post was edited on 6/5/13 at 10:07 am
Posted on 6/5/13 at 10:08 am to CheeseburgerEddie
quote:
I also liked the comment the author made about how with phish, the more you put in so to speak the more you get out.
Absolutely, which is probably why I love and respect most jam bands.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 10:08 am to Sublime
quote:
Would be incredible if the music industry becomes less focused on album sales and more dependent on live performances. It would certainly weed out a lot of bullshite artists.
I don't think this will ever happen.
It isn't as if Phish is the first band to use audience and taping as their biggest avenue. It has been happening for a long time, I simply don't think it is going to change.
The article is good tho
Posted on 6/5/13 at 10:12 am to TexasTiger1185
quote:Well I donno about getting rid of new artists but its definitely improved given that the quality of the recordings is better and better. And now that you can buy the streams of the shows is a big deal too. The "art" of couch touring is a great money maker.
I simply don't think it is going to change.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 10:13 am to TexasTiger1185
I think what he was trying to say was that phish live vs. phish recording is more night and day difference than any other "great band". Not necessarily they are the only band to focus on live performance.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 10:14 am to TexasTiger1185
quote:But with albums being digital now the music industry is definitely taking a hit in record sales. I never even purchased the new daft punk album because I downloaded the "leaked" version almost a week before the album was even released. I can't remember the last time I purchased a CD (vinyl is a different story), or an album off iTunes (see Spotify). As well as most bands starting up their own independent record label. The music industry is definitely shifting, so I could see live performances being more important than album sales down the road.
It isn't as if Phish is the first band to use audience and taping as their biggest avenue. It has been happening for a long time, I simply don't think it is going to change.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 10:17 am to Sublime
They only time i buy cd's is on the way out of small shows. I don't like how I can't give other people the itunes music to check out on their computer, and I figure more money goes to the band if I but i there.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 10:25 am to CaptainPanic
I do love a good couch tour
Posted on 6/5/13 at 10:29 am to CheeseburgerEddie
First off, this was a great article. I read it yesterday, and I'm a big fan of Hyden's work. He makes a compelling case for a band, I must admit, I pretty much despise on all levels.
But he does get at something that truly bothers me about current music: so many bands suck live. Bands used to make their bones playing live show after live shows, only eventually recording after building a small following. Recording was expensive, even when done on the cheap. Now, recording is dirt cheap and distribution is even easier. Two of the big roadblocks have simply gone away. Bands tend to record first, then work on playing live... and a lot of bands can never make that transition.
Hyden points out that given the current economics of the music industry, this model may not be sustainable. Maybe it is, who knows? But Phish's recording have always been rather irrelevant. They are a live band (though I've always felt that was a bit of a cop out for being crappy songwriters, but whatever I'm not trying to bash Phish here). Given that Phish shows there is a way to be a viable act in the current market and have almost no mainstream radio play or album sales, it does show them to at least be influential in the way a band can operate.
Does that make them great? Maybe. It's a compelling argument, even for someone who dislikes all of their music. I have to concede the point that they have blazed their own trail, in the face of overwhelming indifference from the record industry and the mainstream. So good on them.
But he does get at something that truly bothers me about current music: so many bands suck live. Bands used to make their bones playing live show after live shows, only eventually recording after building a small following. Recording was expensive, even when done on the cheap. Now, recording is dirt cheap and distribution is even easier. Two of the big roadblocks have simply gone away. Bands tend to record first, then work on playing live... and a lot of bands can never make that transition.
Hyden points out that given the current economics of the music industry, this model may not be sustainable. Maybe it is, who knows? But Phish's recording have always been rather irrelevant. They are a live band (though I've always felt that was a bit of a cop out for being crappy songwriters, but whatever I'm not trying to bash Phish here). Given that Phish shows there is a way to be a viable act in the current market and have almost no mainstream radio play or album sales, it does show them to at least be influential in the way a band can operate.
Does that make them great? Maybe. It's a compelling argument, even for someone who dislikes all of their music. I have to concede the point that they have blazed their own trail, in the face of overwhelming indifference from the record industry and the mainstream. So good on them.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 10:31 am to Baloo
quote:
that was a bit of a cop out for being crappy songwriters
But they arent shitty songwriters...
Posted on 6/5/13 at 10:36 am to Burt Reynolds
quote:lol
I think you're ODing on molly again
nice one
Aren't there some other threads for you to take your little "hey look at me I make condescending a-hole comments in every thread" troll schtick to
This post was edited on 6/5/13 at 10:37 am
Posted on 6/5/13 at 10:41 am to Baloo
quote:Those roadblocks going away is a double edged sword in my opinon. While it's easier to record and distribute music, it makes it harder for the consumer to discover new musicians and albums. I could definitely see music regressing to it's old self, where bands make most of their money by playing live shows after live shows.
Bands used to make their bones playing live show after live shows, only eventually recording after building a small following. Recording was expensive, even when done on the cheap. Now, recording is dirt cheap and distribution is even easier. Two of the big roadblocks have simply gone away. Bands tend to record first, then work on playing live... and a lot of bands can never make that transition.
Page 3 of 23
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News