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re: Is Chicago the biggest act of all time with no real "rockstar" pop culture presence?
Posted on 10/29/20 at 4:41 pm to Hoodie
Posted on 10/29/20 at 4:41 pm to Hoodie
quote:Leagues of heavy metal front-men
Leagues of rock and roll front-men have based their stage persona on Robert Plant
His influence on other genres was essentially nil
quote:Keith Moon, anyone?
Damn near everyone knows John Bonham's name, and he was the drummer.
quote:All this stuff is important to their fanbase, but is of little interest to anyone else
The Immigrant Song. The mud-shark. Crowley. The Zoso symbols and the mythical status of their fourth album.
quote:This wasn't even true in the '70s, and it certainly isn't true now, where there are 30 year olds who've never listened to anything except rap
Every white male who'll ever live will have at least a short Zeppelin phase
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Posted on 10/29/20 at 5:14 pm to Kafka
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Kafka
Lol. You have to be willfully blind and obtuse to deny the musical and cultural impact of Led Zeppelin.
This post was edited on 10/29/20 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 10/29/20 at 5:18 pm to Saint Alfonzo
quote:I guess I am
Lol. You have to be willfully blind and obtuse to deny the musical and cultural impact of Led Zeppelin
Why don't you detail it for me
Posted on 10/29/20 at 5:20 pm to Kafka
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Why don't you detail it for me
Why don't you eat a bowl of dicks instead.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 5:23 pm to Saint Alfonzo
quote:That's the kind of intelligent, well-informed reply this discussion needs, and which all those sharing your opinion can truly take pride in.
Why don't you eat a bowl of dicks instead
Posted on 10/29/20 at 5:39 pm to Kafka
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That's the kind of intelligent, well-informed reply this discussion needs, and which all those sharing your opinion can truly take pride in.
Well, it is the kind of response that someone who claims Zeppelin only influenced heavy metal bands deserves.
You could actually read an article like this one and gain some insight into the greatest rock and roll band ever. But then you wouldn't be one of the cool kids, would you?
LINK
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Prior to the emergence of Led Zeppelin on the late 1960s music scene, only a few female vocalists could be categorized in the rock and roll genre: Janis Joplin, Grace Slick, Tina Turner. But after Led Zeppelin became popular, increasing numbers of female rock singers entered the stage, including Pat Benatar, Anne Wilson, and Stevie Nix — and then came female guitarists like Chrissy Hynde, Joan Jett, and Nancy Wilson. Many well-known female artists such as guitarist and vocalist Melissa Etheridge and singer-songwriters Sheryl Crow, Alannah Myles, and Edie Brickell claim that Led Zeppelin shaped them musically (Zangara). When Led Zeppelin received honors in 2012 from the Kennedy Center Honors for the Arts, vocalist Anne Wilson and guitarist Nancy Wilson of the band Heart performed “Stairway to Heaven” and received enthusiastic reviews. On the red carpet at the event, Anne said about Led Zeppelin, “’I’m proud to say that they’ve influenced us’” (Clark). Later, on their official website, Anne wrote a gracious and more detailed response to the praise that Heart received for their performance: “My main goal though was to please Jimmy Page, Robert Plant and John Paul Jones…especially Plant, since all these many years he has taught me so much about singing from the soul and has given me such pleasure in his lyrics” (Wilson).
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Led Zeppelin would come to be the primary influence on the rock and roll genre and on many rock and pop artists: …. Metallica, Madonna, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Audioslave, Alice Cooper, and Beastie Boys to name a few. Aerosmith, Guns ‘n Roses, and Van Halen borrowed the sound from the song “Whole Lotta Love” for their basic feel. Brian May of Queen even said that Led Zeppelin created the overall blueprint of a rock band. Musicians such as Jack White copy their style and even to this day Led Zeppelin t-shirts are worn by celebrities (“Legacy”). Inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1995, Led Zeppelin has also received numerous awards, including the Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award. “…[B]ands such as Stone Temple Pilots, Tina Turner, Duran Duran, and even the London Philharmonic Orchestra” have made Led Zeppelin tribute albums” (“Legacy”).
Posted on 10/29/20 at 6:03 pm to TigerBR1111
quote:
Actually it was by design that Chicago members were mostly incognito
quote:And now Big Scrubs trying to make'em famous.
by design
Posted on 10/29/20 at 6:39 pm to Saint Alfonzo
After your ad hominem insults I wasn't going to reply to you (btw I hear your mother is still a cumbucket whore), but since you went to the trouble to google an article, I'll address some of your points:
Tribute albums don't mean shite. There are bluegrass tributes to Metallica. The band may never even have heard of Metallica before showing up to the session. I'm sure they'd do a tribute to hyena mating calls if there was money in it.
Frankly I don't understand the bit about women vocalists becoming more popular after Zep. Is it because Plant has such a shrill, whining voice?
Otherwise most of the acts you list are just variants of the '70s pompous bombast sound, although I admit I don't know anything about Audioslave or STP. Aerosmith was basically a streamlined Zep, and as the classic line went, Heart was just "Aerosmith with tits."
And all you -- or rather, the article you linked -- did was list rock acts. Nothing about influencing the wider culture.
Tribute albums don't mean shite. There are bluegrass tributes to Metallica. The band may never even have heard of Metallica before showing up to the session. I'm sure they'd do a tribute to hyena mating calls if there was money in it.
Frankly I don't understand the bit about women vocalists becoming more popular after Zep. Is it because Plant has such a shrill, whining voice?
Otherwise most of the acts you list are just variants of the '70s pompous bombast sound, although I admit I don't know anything about Audioslave or STP. Aerosmith was basically a streamlined Zep, and as the classic line went, Heart was just "Aerosmith with tits."
And all you -- or rather, the article you linked -- did was list rock acts. Nothing about influencing the wider culture.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 6:59 pm to Kafka
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Tribute albums don't mean shite. There are bluegrass tributes to Metallica. The band may never even have heard of Metallica before showing up to the session. I'm sure they'd do a tribute to hyena mating calls if there was money in it.
Yeah, musicians would never pay homage to artists that influenced them on a tribute album, would they?
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Frankly I don't understand the bit about women vocalists becoming more popular after Zep. Is it because Plant has such a shrill, whining voice?
No surprise there.
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Otherwise most of the acts you list are just variants of the '70s pompous bombast sound, although I admit I don't know anything about Audioslave or STP. Aerosmith was basically a streamlined Zep, and as the classic line went, Heart was just "Aerosmith with tits."
Again, no surprise there. Ignorance of rock music seems to be your forte.
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And all you -- or rather, the article you linked -- did was list rock acts. Nothing about influencing the wider culture.
Yeah, nothing says limited cultural influence more than Beyonce in a Zeppelin t-shirt.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:38 pm to Big Scrub TX
Chicago IX might be my favorite album of all time
definitely my favorite album cover
definitely my favorite album cover
Posted on 10/29/20 at 10:27 pm to Kafka
David Lee Roth and Steven Tyler borrowed from Plant. Both are rock singers; neither are metal.
Nothing against Keith Moon, but I’d give Bonham the edge. That both are well known does nothing to detract from Bonham’s legacy.
The Immigrant Song has been featured in several movies and the mud shark incident is THE groupie story.
Nothing against Keith Moon, but I’d give Bonham the edge. That both are well known does nothing to detract from Bonham’s legacy.
The Immigrant Song has been featured in several movies and the mud shark incident is THE groupie story.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 10:41 pm to Hoodie
quote:wut
David Lee Roth and Steven Tyler borrowed from Plant. Both are rock singers; neither are metal.
quote:As a drummer? That's not the point. The point is Moon had already established the trope of a drummer loon trashing hotel rooms
Nothing against Keith Moon, but I’d give Bonham the edge
quote:So has "The Ballad of the Green Berets". So what?
The Immigrant Song has been featured in several movies
quote:A story about groupies is their great contribution to non-musical culture?
the mud shark incident is THE groupie story.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 10:58 pm to Kafka
You’re trying too hard to discredit Zeppelin’s place in the culture. It’s a ridiculous argument to have about what’s widely regarded as the greatest rock band of all time. It’s like saying The Godfather was just another movie or that Michael Jordan was okay at basketball.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 11:11 pm to Big Scrub TX
I've never thought about it but you may be right. Only nerds know who Terry Kath is and Peter Cetera was unknown until he went solo. Not sure why the label didn't market Kath as a superstar. There is a good doc I've watched but I don't know if they touched on that. I guess after Kath passed Cetera took over and he did become the focus of the band. It's also when they got shitty.
It's odd to say it, but Emerson, Lake and Palmer were kind of an all equal and unknown individually even though their names are on the Marquee. And before Phil Collins went solo, was he a known star in genesis? I don't know. King Crimson may be too obscure but I think we know robert Fripp and Andreian Blew after they left that band.
It's odd to say it, but Emerson, Lake and Palmer were kind of an all equal and unknown individually even though their names are on the Marquee. And before Phil Collins went solo, was he a known star in genesis? I don't know. King Crimson may be too obscure but I think we know robert Fripp and Andreian Blew after they left that band.
This post was edited on 10/30/20 at 12:27 am
Posted on 10/30/20 at 12:03 am to Kafka
quote:I mean, Roth flirted a little bit with metal on his solo debut, but Aerosmith is not metal. I'm confused about what you're confused about.
wut
quote:It is case in point of the "keep your daughters inside when Zep comes to town" narrative that followed the band for years. The entire point of the thread is that Chicago has no such thing, "no real rockstar pop culture presence".
A story about groupies is their great contribution to non-musical culture?
Posted on 10/30/20 at 10:41 am to Kafka
quote:When you're wrong, you're galactically wrong.
Kafka
Posted on 11/1/20 at 8:12 am to Big Scrub TX
Chicago is on the short list, but Pink Floyd is too. If you had a conversation with a non-fan or even a casual fan, they'd probably identify with the iconic album artwork more than any individual in the band.
Posted on 11/1/20 at 10:30 pm to Big Scrub TX
I would have to think Chicago would be in the conversation, without putting my thinking cap on. Pete Cetera went on to solo pop stardom, but otherwise only Terry Kath would be known to most except for real fans. Sad that they peaked by the mid-70's they became an almost exclusive pop band. VII was their last album with any real exploration outside of pure pop or hit single inclinations.
Posted on 11/2/20 at 12:02 am to vandelay industries
quote:Eh. I can't agree with this. The 2 main dudes with the acrimonious public split are just too huge.
Chicago is on the short list, but Pink Floyd is too. If you had a conversation with a non-fan or even a casual fan, they'd probably identify with the iconic album artwork more than any individual in the band.
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