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re: Guitarists That Seem Overrated
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:23 pm to Shanegolang
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:23 pm to Shanegolang
The term "overrated" has lost all meaning. Any time somebody uses it, it basically translates to "I don't get / I don't like this (fill in the blank)".
I will cut to the chase and say I "don't like" overly fussy shred-type players. I also "don't like" players whose entire appeal is supposedly in their tone.
I will cut to the chase and say I "don't like" overly fussy shred-type players. I also "don't like" players whose entire appeal is supposedly in their tone.
This post was edited on 7/9/21 at 9:24 pm
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Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:25 pm to RockAndRollDetective
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I also "don't like" players whose entire appeal is supposedly in their tone.
example?
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:27 pm to TFTC
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The bad look, is being an overly sensitive guitar player...
I guess you think this applies to me, but you would be wrong on that too. I'm not a guitar player, I'm a songwriter who plays guitar, and I am always happy to take the sideline to a better guitar player. I am always trying to improve though.
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It's just a discussion on what people like.. disagreements will be had!
Then that should be the premise, because anyone who is a well known guitar player, has been doing a lot of things right.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:35 pm to Shanegolang
Gotta go with Clapton
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:36 pm to auggie
Auggie, I honestly am just bullshitting...
Ultimately, there are a lot of guitar players that get by on being run of the mill... and the grand majority of people like simple, not very interesting music...
I don't begrudge any of those musicians, but don't necessarily like them...
I subscribe to the philosophy that everyone should be in a band, I just don't necessarilywan't to hear them all...
We obviously dont see these things the same...
Ultimately, there are a lot of guitar players that get by on being run of the mill... and the grand majority of people like simple, not very interesting music...
I don't begrudge any of those musicians, but don't necessarily like them...
I subscribe to the philosophy that everyone should be in a band, I just don't necessarilywan't to hear them all...
We obviously dont see these things the same...
This post was edited on 7/9/21 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:48 pm to TFTC
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We obviously dont see these things the same...
For me, the better I get at playing guitar, the more that I can appreciate other styles, and even find styles that I never liked very much, to be awesome. I steal whatever I can.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 10:00 pm to auggie
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Seems to me, if someone wants to shoot down another picker's ability, they should post an example of their own fantastic playing for comparison.
quote:"A critic is a man who knows the way but can't drive the car" - Kenneth Tynan
Let's say you don't think for example, Clapton's Lay Down Sally is good...I would like to hear your improved version. You might convince me that way.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 10:03 pm to Kafka
quote:
"A critic is a man who knows the way but can't drive the car" - Kenneth Tynan
Did Mr. Tynan prefer west coast or east coast rap?
Posted on 7/9/21 at 10:14 pm to TFTC
quote:He was apparently into getting spanked by women -- does that count as rap?
Did Mr. Tynan prefer west coast or east coast rap?
Posted on 7/9/21 at 10:28 pm to Shanegolang
OP, you need to listen to Jimi's Electric Ladyland double LP on headphones without interruption, and preferably stoned. It will open your ears.
Way more to Jimi than Purple Haze and Foxy Lady.
Way more to Jimi than Purple Haze and Foxy Lady.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 10:58 pm to Shanegolang
The Edge. I never understood how anyone could confuse his abilities with outboard gear as playing talent.
That said, there are plenty of very talented players who while I appreciate their talent, I may not enjoy their style.
That said, there are plenty of very talented players who while I appreciate their talent, I may not enjoy their style.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 11:45 pm to 88Wildcat
quote:Paul Stanley
Who in the hell has ever rated Paul Stanley?
Posted on 7/10/21 at 1:31 am to RockAndRollDetective
quote:Yep, instead of using it as over-hyped.
The term "overrated" has lost all meaning. Any time somebody uses it, it basically translates to "I don't get / I don't like this (fill in the blank)".
Take my take on Prince for instance. They guy can certainly play. He certainly had a lot of appeal. And he certainly was successful and had rave critical support. And he was quite the showman... a-number-one. However using my personal yard stick (again just to me) there's guys gathered around campfires all over mid-America, the guys that'll play as long as someone throws another log on, and till the sun starts to rise,... who simply blow him away all night long.
Do they?
Probably not to most of you, but that's not what the question was, it was who do you think is not as good as advertised. Who's golden award maybe should be just silver to you. Not that this player or that should be doing something else, is not way good, or not highly talented.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 1:40 am to Shanegolang
Zakk Wilde. The way he packs every riff with harmonics gets old after a couple of songs.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 5:27 am to lammo
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OP, you need to listen to Jimi's Electric Ladyland double LP on headphones without interruption, and preferably stoned. It will open your ears.
Way more to Jimi than Purple Haze and Foxy Lady.
I never fully understood just how good Jimi was until I started playing guitar. Learning Little Wing is what took my playing to the next level. Jimi's way of incorporating chords and embellishments into his lead work can be heard by so many blues/rock players now.
This post was edited on 7/10/21 at 5:28 am
Posted on 7/10/21 at 6:23 am to awestruck
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, the guys that'll play as long as someone throws another log on, and till the sun starts to rise,... who simply blow him away all night long
Just FYI, I am a fan of Prince. Not "geek" status but he's way up there because as I've often mentioned in these type of threads, I appreciate skilled musicians who have the ability to use those abilities they've honed from learning keys, drums, bass, string arrangment, music theory and then meld that into a guitar style.
I always use Jeff Beck of an example of this. His style is developed by a "gumbo" of other instruments and genres of jazz, pop, rock, blues, country and even big band/swing.
And Prince was no doubt one of those artist. Heavy mid west rock influence, R&B, Funk, Soul and Gospel.
And finally, I would add that if you don't care for his style I totally understand, however if you believe it to be the fact that he's just another guitar player, go back and watch the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame segment of "While My Guitar Gently Weeps." Take a good look at the faces of the other legendary guitar players on stage watching him play.
Tom Petty and Jeff Lynne knew what they were hearing.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 6:25 am to Hoodie
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Zakk Wilde
Yep, and his country equal, Brad Paisley. Every solo has to have some little cheap lick in it.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 7:10 am to Hoodie
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Zakk Wilde. The way he packs every riff with harmonics gets old after a couple of songs.
I agree with this. Anything overused get old fast, whether it's pinch harmonics or playing lightning fast all the time. David Gilmour was the master at using pinch harmonics to me, at least.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 7:52 am to geauxbrown
... never met someone before who could write without being able to read
eta: (as for Misters Lynne and Petty...I've read that was more of a look at this a-hole... doing a staged show... after everyone had said upfront they were going to do the song more subdued) and BTW I did catch the guy live in person about 30-35 rows out center stage... and I never said he was average just overrated.
eta: (as for Misters Lynne and Petty...I've read that was more of a look at this a-hole... doing a staged show... after everyone had said upfront they were going to do the song more subdued) and BTW I did catch the guy live in person about 30-35 rows out center stage... and I never said he was average just overrated.
This post was edited on 7/10/21 at 8:28 am
Posted on 7/10/21 at 2:01 pm to Shanegolang
Jimmy Page (good stage presence but ripped off essentially everything)
Prince (good technically, but made horrible music)
EVH (all flash)
Chuck Berry (good for his time, but that's where it ends)
Joe Bonamassa
BB King (awful)
Neil Young (simply awful)
Slash (crap)
Kurt Cobain (sucked)
Kirk Hammett
...so many more
Prince (good technically, but made horrible music)
EVH (all flash)
Chuck Berry (good for his time, but that's where it ends)
Joe Bonamassa
BB King (awful)
Neil Young (simply awful)
Slash (crap)
Kurt Cobain (sucked)
Kirk Hammett
...so many more
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