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Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:09 pm to
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:09 pm to
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Beat poetry has been relegated to the trash bin of cultural history where it belong
Jack Kerouac supported film credits

I don't blame you for being pissed
Posted by TaTa Toothy
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Posted on 4/18/19 at 11:12 pm to
Well all he has done is write and record some of the greatest folk,folk rock, rock, country and gospel albums of all time. Today's artists still can't touch Time Out of Mind or Love and Theft which he recorded in his late 50's. The Basement Tapes would be any other artists' greatest album and it was an afterthought that wasn't released until years later. He' s still not as good as Sturgill Simpson tho.
Posted by Telecaster
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Posted on 4/18/19 at 11:20 pm to
The man is one of the greatest songwriters of all time. Yes, I like his voice - at least through Blood On the Tracks. If you don't like his voice, that's okay too.

I've seen him one time live in the mid 80's. At Memphis' Mud Island Amphitheater. Apparently he likes Memphis and was in a good mood that night. Great show. He does have a reputation to be hit or miss live.

His autobiography is a pretty good read.

Posted by LarryDavid
Los Angeles
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Posted on 4/19/19 at 11:21 am to
His writing ability is the reason. Strange is usually a term used when someone lacks ability to understand.
Posted by redneck hippie
Oklahoma
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Posted on 4/19/19 at 11:25 am to
Before Dylan and the Beatles most music was doo wop, or about love, or surfer music. He changed it all. If you enjoy music with intelligent lyrics, there is a direct line back to Dylan.
Posted by tigers1956
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Posted on 4/19/19 at 11:52 am to
His really early stuff is very good....but as time went on his voice we t downhill and he needs to stop recording....
Posted by montana
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Posted on 4/19/19 at 1:56 pm to
Saw him recently. He sounds like the Cookie Monster. The band sounds fantastic.
Posted by John Milner
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 7:29 am to
He is arguably the best songwriter in pop music history.

If you think about it, most of the best songwriters do not have a very good voice.

Dylan
Neil Young
Hank Williams
Willie Nelson
John Prine
Though John Lennon had a pretty good voice, it wasn't just great.

Paul McCartney has a good voice and though "Lennon-McCartney"songs are heralded world wide, Lennon is generally considered the better songwriter of the 2. McCartney was certainly the best overall musician in the band.

Paul Simon has a pretty good voice, but not nearly as good as Art Garfunkel. Simon wrote the songs.

David Bowie had a good voice, and he wrote a lot of great songs.



This post was edited on 4/21/19 at 7:33 am
Posted by auggie
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 7:36 pm to
I think he is The greatest songwriter ever, but his greatest songs were not hits for him, and in many cases they weren't hits for anybody else either. They were just great songs, and if you aren't a fan of his, then you haven't even heard his best work. You have an uninformed opinion.
His greatest talent to me, is his ability to cut right to the chase, with words.

My favorite line of his is from Brownsville Girl :" I don't have any regrets-they can talk about me plenty when I'm gone."
This post was edited on 4/21/19 at 8:14 pm
Posted by awestruck
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 8:02 pm to
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All my life when I have read somebody calling Bob Dylan a "legend" or something like that I have never quite understood his attraction. . . .
That might be it... it might be and age thing.

When he first started he was imitating Woody Guthrie which included championing the disenfranchised poor and he embraced it. Next up the civil rights movement grabbed hold of him an he went with the flow. Protest was in the air and if you weren't there I can't describe the vibe, other to say it swept a wide berth, and he was at the top. After a few years he looked around quipped something about all the suit's not looking like friends of his and he left that movement behind. I believe this is when his more poetical works were written... probably in mid to late sixties.... People of the day appreciated his zeal, his story telling, and his unabashed way of doing things his way. He gave them roots music, till he wanted rock, and damn what what his label wanted to sell. He had a way of saying something people wanted to hear.

It's different for a lot of people today... you can see it in threads here, where people unabashedly say they don't know or care about the lyrics... it was a time when the lyrics were king.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 10:33 pm to
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f you think about it, most of the best songwriters do not have a very good voice.

Dylan
Neil Young
Hank Williams
Willie Nelson
John Prine
Though John Lennon had a pretty good voice, it wasn't just great.
I presume you mean Hank Sr? He was a great country singer.

and John Lennon had one of tGOAT R&R voices
Posted by HeadyBrosevelt
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Posted on 4/22/19 at 7:26 am to
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He is arguably the best songwriter in pop music history. If you think about it, most of the best songwriters do not have a very good voice. Dylan Neil Young Hank Williams Willie Nelson John Prine


For the most part Neil's voice fit his music. It's part of the package- who else could pull off "Cowgirl in the Sand" or "Powderfinger" ? The rawness of his voice is matched by the shrills of his guitar tone.
Posted by John Milner
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Posted on 4/22/19 at 7:45 am to
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I presume you mean Hank Sr? He was a great country singer.



To each his own. I think his songs are country poetry but his voice was awfully whiny. I think Hank Jr has a better voice than his Dad. The grandson, however, is very whiny, like his grandad. Worse even. Hank Jr is a very good songwriter in his own right, and a better guitar player than for which he's given credit. About all the grandson has going for him, as far as I can tell, is his last name.

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John Lennon had one of tGOAT R&R voices


I did say that I thought he had a good voice, just not great compared with, say, Freddie Mercury, Roy Orbison, Art Garfunkel, but few do compare with those guys. I'm a huge Lennon fan. I think only Bob Dylan may be a better songwriter in popular music.
This post was edited on 4/22/19 at 11:02 am
Posted by John Milner
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Posted on 4/22/19 at 7:52 am to
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For the most part Neil's voice fit his music. It's part of the package- who else could pull off "Cowgirl in the Sand" or "Powderfinger" ? The rawness of his voice is matched by the shrills of his guitar tone.


I agree with that too. Like Hank Williams, though, most folks I talk to don't think he has a very good voice, but awesome songs.
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