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re: Does The Average Person Have Poor Music Taste?
Posted on 4/9/15 at 11:24 am to TigerinKorea
Posted on 4/9/15 at 11:24 am to TigerinKorea
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Most people believe everything they see on TV, and take what they hear on mainstream radio as truth. If it hasn't gone viral, if it's not being played on a Clear Channel station, nor if it doesn't get played on their Blake Shelton Pandora Playlist, they will not like it, nor will they understand it. Unfortunately, a lot of the stuff presented through those avenues is pretty bad. So, yes, the average person's music taste is rather poor.
This.
I was in radio for a number of years, and realized early on that if it isn't being played on top-40 radio, most will reject it out of hand. Conversely, anything can be made a hit by playing it often enough.
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Posted on 4/9/15 at 11:30 am to BigOrangeBri
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This is not true. There is good, bad and mediocre music. Just like there is good, bad and mediocre food.
Not this crap again dude.
Please post the list of good food and music so we can all be enlightened.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 11:48 am to SUB
quote:I especially love the Food Board posts about food that is "garbage".
Please post the list of good food and music so we can all be enlightened.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 12:17 pm to AlxTgr
I don't visit the food board, but some food IS garbage. Look, I love Doritos. Doritos are delicious, especially the spicy nacho flavor. But they are empty calories, horrible for you, and as Joan Cusack says in Say Anything, "There's no food in your food." It's objectively garbage.
Now, I'm not going to stop eating them. But yes, they are garbage. It's not quality food. It's high processed crap. And sometimes, high processed crap hits the spot (same with music). It doesn't mean it's not crap.
Now, I'm not going to stop eating them. But yes, they are garbage. It's not quality food. It's high processed crap. And sometimes, high processed crap hits the spot (same with music). It doesn't mean it's not crap.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 12:37 pm to Baloo
Taste and ingredients are two separate things in food and music. The OP is about taste only.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 1:31 pm to CocoLoco
I know what you're saying in a general sense, but taste is individual preference. Yes, a lot of people stay in a bubble (and that goes for a lot of different things, not just music), so to speak, so they are limited in their range of preference. Maybe if some of these people broadened their range, their preferences would change, or maybe not.
I used to have a friend who grew up VERY rich. He wasn't limited in range on his food preferences. He preferred Taco Bell over filet mignon. I disagreed with him, but I wouldn't say that he had poor taste. It was just different than mine. For me to make a judgment that he had poor taste would be to impose my individual preference on him.
Could you post some examples of this? I'm genuinely interested because that would help to specify what you're talking about.
I used to have a friend who grew up VERY rich. He wasn't limited in range on his food preferences. He preferred Taco Bell over filet mignon. I disagreed with him, but I wouldn't say that he had poor taste. It was just different than mine. For me to make a judgment that he had poor taste would be to impose my individual preference on him.
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Maybe some don't want to put the time into learning to appreciate more complex music because they lack a true passion for it?
Could you post some examples of this? I'm genuinely interested because that would help to specify what you're talking about.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 1:33 pm to Brosef Stalin
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Yes. The average person has poor taste in everything, not just music. That's why they're average.
Look no further than the film industry and box office numbers for proof. There is a reason why they are still making Transformers films.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 1:51 pm to Baloo
No, it's not garbage. Garbage is waste. One can eat garbage, but I would not recommend it. It may have been a delicacy at some point, but now it's garbage. And you're using objectively wrong.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 3:30 pm to AlxTgr
No, I know what it means. A Dorito is objectively bad food, but I find subjective enjoyment in it.
I also find people's inability to take a stand and say, "Yes, this thing sucks" leads to wimpy criticism and furthers bad art. Take a stand. I agree with the idea that people should like whatever they hell they want, but when we start talking about how we can't even talk about quality, for fear of offending someone's sensibilities? Forget that. Everyone is such a milquetoast.
I also find people's inability to take a stand and say, "Yes, this thing sucks" leads to wimpy criticism and furthers bad art. Take a stand. I agree with the idea that people should like whatever they hell they want, but when we start talking about how we can't even talk about quality, for fear of offending someone's sensibilities? Forget that. Everyone is such a milquetoast.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 4:08 pm to Baloo
Way too often is having strong opinions thought of as a form of negativity. I've noticed I get mistaken as being negative because I voice my thoughts and opinions. Most people just conform and follow the crowd, when you disagree you're often looked at differently. I don't like bro country and I say it, and I've had plenty of girls bitch at me for it.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 4:44 pm to CocoLoco
Yes from the standpoint of music as art.
Poor taste in most arts like books too.
But the average person doesn't see or use music/books as art.
Art isn't popular and requires subsidy to survive in most cases. Always has. Pop culture helps to subsidize it.
Poor taste in most arts like books too.
But the average person doesn't see or use music/books as art.
Art isn't popular and requires subsidy to survive in most cases. Always has. Pop culture helps to subsidize it.
This post was edited on 4/9/15 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 4/9/15 at 4:46 pm to Baloo
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I also find people's inability to take a stand and say, "Yes, this thing sucks" leads to wimpy criticism and furthers bad art. Take a stand. I agree with the idea that people should like whatever they hell they want, but when we start talking about how we can't even talk about quality, for fear of offending someone's sensibilities?
For me, it's not about a fear of offending people's sensibilities.
I just think it's more accurate to say something like, "Yes, this thing sucks to me (or some other individualized variation)" in an area of individual preference. I mean, if we make a thread on things that suck, it's very likely that something that you and I like will be listed. Well, those things don't "suck" to us, they "suck" in the view of others. It's just a matter of different preferences.
Now, if there is a standard that is being appealed to, a criteria that defines quality as X, Y, and Z, then objective statements can accurately be made within that framework, but outside of that, it's a matter of individual preference.
(I mean, we could dig down to a base level where certain sounds can accurately be said to "suck" to human ears, but that's not really the context of this thread.)
Posted on 4/9/15 at 5:11 pm to The Dudes Rug
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There can be people who genuinely think that a Flordia Georgia Line song sounds better than a Led Zeppelin song. While it's an unpopular opinion, we are all different. If that person enjoys that unpopular song more, then so be it. That does not make the song/artist bad in his eyes, even if you and most of the world despises them. It may be a specific beat of a bass drum, sound of a voice, or chord of a guitar that simply sounds better to them. You can't tell someone that what sounds good to them is bad. That just makes no sense.
Yes, I can. If he thinks it's good then so be it, but it's still bad music. Just like some really enjoy Mcdonalds burgers. They can like it, but it doesn't make it good food.
The music as a whole is BAD. There's no changing that and actually, the musicians you hear on most country records are some of the best technical musicians in the world. That doesn't make the songs or the albums they're playing on good.
In fact I've worked with multiple, super talented musicians and engineers. Ask them, their answer is " eh, the music sucks, but it's a paycheck."
Music can be bad and it's not all subjective.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 5:27 pm to Baloo
This thread isn't about a discussion on quality. It's a discussion on personal preference. Jeez. If you want to talk about quality of musicianship, start a new thread. It's not relevant at all here.
It's fine to judge people based on their taste. But to openly tell someone that they have bad taste is a bit pretentious and asinine in itself because it assumes you are some authority on taste.
I still haven't seen THE list of good bands that I requested from BigOrangeBaw. . .
It's fine to judge people based on their taste. But to openly tell someone that they have bad taste is a bit pretentious and asinine in itself because it assumes you are some authority on taste.
I still haven't seen THE list of good bands that I requested from BigOrangeBaw. . .
This post was edited on 4/9/15 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 4/9/15 at 5:41 pm to Baloo
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milquetoast
I'll admit it. I had to google it.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 5:44 pm to CocoLoco
Yes.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 5:46 pm to SUB
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I still haven't seen THE list of good bands that I requested from BigOrangeBaw. . .
Some people have poor taste in music. Some have poor taste in other things. Doesn't make them bad people.
I'm gonna pass on creating a list of all the good music ever made.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 5:52 pm to SUB
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This thread isn't about a discussion on quality. It's a discussion on personal preference. Jeez. If you want to talk about quality of musicianship, . .
You missed the point. Someone spoke about the technical quality in crappy bro country music. I was just saying that the technicality and musicianship on that stuff is great.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 6:01 pm to Baloo
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"Yes, this thing sucks" leads to wimpy criticism and furthers bad art. Take a stand.
Agreed. Criticism is important in determining why we like the things that we do and exploring the meaning of art. Otherwise things start to become kind of meaningless.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 6:19 pm to SUB
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THE list of good bands
I think it goes like this. "Obscure" >>> more popular. It's always been like this, even in the 70's.
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