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re: Does Bob Weir Really Just Suck?
Posted on 8/23/19 at 11:08 am to 14&Counting
Posted on 8/23/19 at 11:08 am to 14&Counting
I'm not going to judge a painting from one stroke or color from a brush.
Listen to the show as a whole.
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Isolate Jerry and I don't think it's even close to being his best either. Definitely missed notes and off key in many parts.
Listen to the show as a whole.
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Isolate Jerry and I don't think it's even close to being his best either. Definitely missed notes and off key in many parts.
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I think that sums up live Grateful Dead a lot of the time though.
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Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:06 pm to 14&Counting
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Does Bob Weir Really Just Suck?
Yes
He was the Dead’s babe magnet.
He is mediocre.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 8:45 am to Eli Goldfinger
Bobby is way underrated. He has some incredible songs and plays a little different than most rhythm players. I didn’t really appreciate him until later but huge fan.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 1:54 pm to xraytiger
quote:Bob is great bandmember, he just has a style that is very unique. They definitely had bad nights but he was Batman's' Robin and they paired wonderfully. Youtube has a lot of videos on "how to play like Bob" or "Bobs chords/phrasing's" As a guitar player myself that tried to play his parts, some of his "alternative chord shapes" are next to impossible to play perfectly.
Bobby is way underrated. He has some incredible songs and plays a little different than most rhythm players. I didn’t really appreciate him until later but huge fan.
How to play guitar like Bob Weir
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But if you’re talking about revolutionary rhythm guitarists, no conversation is complete without mentioning Bob Weir. Throughout his three decades playing in the Grateful Dead, Weir created a backup guitar style that perfectly infused itself within the busy lead lines that his bandmates were cranking out. While listeners were enthralled with the lead work being spun by Jerry Garcia, Weir’s rhythm parts were quietly just as interesting.
He wrote some great songs as well but yeah Jerry was the star.
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This post was edited on 4/15/23 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 4/16/23 at 7:36 am to Trout Bandit
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Yes him and Donna Jean were the worst parts of the Dead.
Nah, Donna and Mickey
Posted on 4/16/23 at 5:26 pm to Damone
What a horrible take with one show as evidence. Do you know how fricked up these guys got and played?
Bob was a critical part of the dead's sound. AS others talked about, the syncopated fills helped add to the layers. Watch the Other One documentary if you want to have your mind changed on why Bob was actually critical to the Dead.
That being said: he's not some great guitar genius and never claimed to be. But he was a unique contributor to the sound.
Bob was a critical part of the dead's sound. AS others talked about, the syncopated fills helped add to the layers. Watch the Other One documentary if you want to have your mind changed on why Bob was actually critical to the Dead.
That being said: he's not some great guitar genius and never claimed to be. But he was a unique contributor to the sound.
Posted on 4/16/23 at 8:05 pm to hogfly
Bobby was in the best band ever. Plays a different style. Incredible songwriter. Hardly sucks.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 7:54 am to 14&Counting
It's not that bad. He's playing rhythm chords.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 10:05 am to Crow Pie
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Bob is great bandmember, he just has a style that is very unique. They definitely had bad nights but he was Batman's' Robin and they paired wonderfully. Youtube has a lot of videos on "how to play like Bob" or "Bobs chords/phrasing's" As a guitar player myself that tried to play his parts, some of his "alternative chord shapes" are next to impossible to play perfectly.
Yep, dude played rhythm guitar in a wild style, and when you are getting all weird like that, some of it is going to suck. Comes with stepping outside of the box.
I think that Phil is the most overrated in the band. I think he is a fine bass player, but idk, his style always seemed so stiff to me.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 10:36 am to bamaphan13
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Bob was the poon hound.
Kreutzmann was far worse as the ladies man.
As far as Weir as a guitarist, it's been said repeatedly by other guitarists that Weir's style was completely unique in his chord arrangements and riffs. It's impossible to listen to it in an isolated vacuum because his playing was a direct response to Jerry's.
This post was edited on 10/23/23 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 4/17/23 at 11:38 am to Funky Tide 8
Phil’s style is equally unique. He stretches it so far. I actually think the opposite and say he’s the way underrated. I don’t see how anyone could listen to hiss bass playing and think it’s just “Ok” but that the beauty of music.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 11:47 am to xraytiger
I'm definitely in the minority regarding my Phil opinion, but I suppose I just prefer a looser, funkier style of bass playing.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 12:53 pm to Funky Tide 8
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I think that Phil is the most overrated in the band. I think he is a fine bass player, but idk, his style always seemed so stiff to me.
I’ve literally NEVER heard anyone say phil is overrated.
Im not sure how anyone can come to that conclusion after listening to a 73 show, phil dominated.
Id argue phil was underrated if anything.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 2:02 pm to hogcard1964
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It's not that bad. He's playing fills and rythym.
I wouldn’t call that rhythm. It honestly sounded too bad for me to believe it was being properly represented, so I pulled up the actual show with full band and could hear the same shitty guitar playing from the isolated video.
Has nothing to do with his style. That is simply bad guitar playing.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 2:24 pm to 14&Counting
How do we know we can trust these isolations? This isn't a separate track on a tape from a studio, it's an attempt to separate already mixed noise. We don't know how good it is.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 3:57 pm to Gaggle
Bob with the Wolf Bros put on a great show.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 5:36 pm to OceanMan
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so I pulled up the actual show with full band and could hear the same shitty guitar playing from the isolated video
That particular recording from YouTube sucks, in general. The mixing on the recording is just off. Maybe that’s how it was recoded from the show or whomever made the YouTube video did something. Who knows?? I was at that particular show and my recollection was that the shows at the Greek were smoking.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 7:05 pm to Ten Bears
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That particular recording from YouTube sucks, in general. The mixing on the recording is just off. Maybe that’s how it was recoded from the show or whomever made the YouTube video did something. Who knows?? I was at that particular show and my recollection was that the shows at the Greek were smoking.
The guy that posted the isolation video claimed bob’s rig specifically was from an actual isolated recording because he was trying to troubleshoot something.
In fairness, I definitely see your point about the recording because it was super muddy in general. But I could hear a few runs by Jerry like a classic double stop move pretty articulated and some of the bass was very clear.
Bob sounded very behind almost like he didn’t know the songs. Or that he couldn’t hear himself. Either way the result was horrendous. I mean it definitely could fit in the mix but nothing adding much value. But as others have stated, maybe he doesn’t need to
This post was edited on 4/17/23 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 4/17/23 at 8:55 pm to OceanMan
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The guy that posted the isolation video claimed bob’s rig specifically was from an actual isolated recording because he was trying to troubleshoot something. In fairness, I definitely see your point about the recording because it was super muddy in general
Ok I got curious about my memory being hazy because I remember the 3night run at the Greek in 89 was frickin fire.
So I found a soundboard recording of this show and it sounds nothing like the YouTube video. I mean the pace is a little stonier but that’s the difference between the east and west coast shows.
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