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Can we talk Tele’s?

Posted on 3/28/22 at 8:42 pm
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 3/28/22 at 8:42 pm
I’ve been a long time Strat player, and although I have other guitars I play with some sense of regularity, I always tend to revert back to the familiar and comfy Strat, but lately I’ve been really researching T-type guitars as I would love to have one that really grabs me and I can get personally invested in as a player.

I would really appreciate any advise or direction I can get from a Tele player or just your .02 cents on the matter. I’ve been waffling between quite a few.


70’s Fender Vintera series
Fender American Performer
Fender Jason Isabell signature Tele
G&L Fullerton or Tribute
Chapman ML3 Pro



Some concerns I have:

I’m not sure the configuration and whether I should deviate from the infamous single coil at the bridge or not and go with 2 humbuckers, one at the neck, or single and lipstick. I’m not really a country picker, but would like something relatively versatile without deviating too far from the Tele tone, or else, why would I get one in the first place.

I’ve long heard of the notorious intuition issues associated with the 3 brass saddles, and want to avoid anything not compensated. Is that something to be concerned over or not?

I’ve never owned a Mexican made Fender. Is there a noticeable difference in craftsmanship, be it electric or fret work, etc that sets one apart from the other?







Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
31931 posts
Posted on 3/28/22 at 9:25 pm to
You should check out the Nashville Tellies, since you've played strats a lot.
All that you listed are good choices, just play them all and decide, or you could just build one exactly like you want.
Don't overlook the classic vibe tellies either, they are very good with a bunch of choices.. The G&L bluesboy looks like a very cool guitar, but I've never played one.
I've got several tellies, a couple of Mexican ones, a Japanese reissue blue paisley, partscaster ones and upgraded squire ones. I have different favorites on different days. I have a partscaster that I play the most these days, just because it's the lightest.
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I’ve long heard of the notorious intuition issues associated with the 3 brass saddles, and want to avoid anything not compensated. Is that something to be concerned over or not?

No.


This post was edited on 3/28/22 at 9:39 pm
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
61883 posts
Posted on 3/28/22 at 9:43 pm to
quote:

You should check out the Nashville Tellies, since you've played strats a lot.


Good call. I’ve considered that. I am really drawn to the aged candy apple red one, and I am also really high on the belly cut for comfort in the player plus


The G&L thing came from playing a G&L Strat in NC a few months back, and how impressed I was in the quality and tone. From what I’ve been told, the ASAT Tele bridge pup is supposedly Leo Fender’s crowning achievement, or rather what he supposedly said it was. I know one thing, those single coils on the Strat I played were much hotter than the Tex Mex pups in my Strat.




quote:

No


Good, because that was causing me to look into more designated saddle designs and I didn’t really want to pull away from the more traditional brass saddle design.

Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
31931 posts
Posted on 3/28/22 at 10:06 pm to
quote:

Good, because that was causing me to look into more designated saddle designs and I didn’t really want to pull away from the more traditional brass saddle design.


What I meant was, you can change it out easily, for something you like better, if you want. I'm OK with it myself, I have the brass saddles on 3 of my tellies. Some other people change them out. I saw a set up the other day, that still had the 3 brass( I'm assuming) saddles, but each string had an individual adjustment.

I've played G&L ASATs before, and they are great guitars, I've just never played one of the Bluesboy models.
This post was edited on 3/28/22 at 10:14 pm
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
61883 posts
Posted on 3/28/22 at 11:10 pm to
quote:

What I meant was, you can change it out easily, for something you like better, if you want. I'm OK with it myself, I have the brass saddles on 3 of my tellies. Some other people change them out. I saw a set up the other day, that still had the 3 brass( I'm assuming) saddles, but each string had an individual adjustment.



Gotcha…. Something I can easily do after the fact if I want I suppose.

quote:

I've played G&L ASATs before, and they are great guitars, I've just never played one of the Bluesboy models.



Yeah, it intrigues me.


Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
71164 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 12:25 am to
I really love my American Standard. The difference in tone quality between it and the Nashville tele is like night and day.

The only thing I don’t like is that the body shape rubs where my arm likes to rest. A tummy cut would probably help that.
Posted by AthensRattler
Classic City, GA
Member since Dec 2013
949 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 5:18 am to
I’ve got a Fender American Pro and a G&L Bluesboy semi-hollow. With the bluesboy it’s difficult to EQ an amp to appease both the bridge single coil and the neck humbucker. I’m about to try the resistor trick or stacked pots so I can get the humbucker to see 500k and the single coil to see 250k. Any recommendations are appreciated.

No complaints on the Fender, other than it weighs 6 tons and has that plasticky poly finish. Beautiful anyway, Olympic white with snot green pickguard and rosewood board. Teles in that scheme are my all time favorite guitar aesthetic.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27872 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 7:56 am to
I’ll second the 50s vibe Squire. Take the money you save from what you listed and the sky is the limit in mods.

Except for the lack of a belly scoop it feels like every real Fender Tele I’ve ever picked up.

But again with the cash you save? Hand wound boutique pickups are possible. Swap the saddle to whatever moves you. Custom switch plate.

Have to like that neck though. I love mine. But it is all maple with a poly finish EVERYWHERE. if that’s not you thing then move it on down to what the others have suggested.
Posted by TheFretShack
Member since Oct 2015
1383 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:03 am to
I’ve been a long time Strat player, and although I have other guitars I play with some sense of regularity, I always tend to revert back to the familiar and comfy Strat, but lately I’ve been really researching T-type guitars as I would love to have one that really grabs me and I can get personally invested in as a player.

I have three of what I call custom "contour Teles" in my shop right now ... Tele bodies with arm and belly cuts like a Strat. Many manufacturers make them. If you want the look, tone and vibe of a Tele but a Strat against your ribs and under your forearm, be sure to check out Teles with belly and arm cuts.

I’m not sure the configuration and whether I should deviate from the infamous single coil at the bridge or not and go with 2 humbuckers, one at the neck, or single and lipstick. I’m not really a country picker, but would like something relatively versatile without deviating too far from the Tele tone, or else, why would I get one in the first place.

A Tele in stock form is the most versatile solidbody electric guitar on the planet. They are virtually unchanged since 1950 for good reason. And a Tele with anything other than two Telecaster or Tele-blueprint/footprint pickups is not a Telecaster. Period.

I’ve long heard of the notorious intuition issues associated with the 3 brass saddles, and want to avoid anything not compensated. Is that something to be concerned over or not?

Use compensated barrel saddles to correct intonation woes. My favorites are Gotoh's compensated brass barrels for some extra warmth.

I’ve never owned a Mexican made Fender. Is there a noticeable difference in craftsmanship, be it electric or fret work, etc that sets one apart from the other?

You will get mixed reviews and opinions. The Fender Ensenada pieces in recent times are excellent in my opinion. My recommendation is to try a variety and decide for yourself; and buy a cleaned used example of whatever you pick to get the most bang for your buck.
Posted by TheFretShack
Member since Oct 2015
1383 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:08 am to
Compensated barrel saddles ...



My personal "contour Tele," side view ...





Posted by wareaglepete
Union of Soviet Auburn Republics
Member since Dec 2012
19417 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 1:09 pm to
quote:

And a Tele with anything other than two Telecaster or Tele-blueprint/footprint pickups is not a Telecaster. Period.


Not to get far off topic, but that brings up a question. Does the shape of a guitar/bass or the pickup configuration make up what a guitar/bass is?

Is this still a Jazz bass?


Is this a Jazz bass?


Is this a tele?


Not saying anyone is right or wrong, just curious.

Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
31931 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 2:42 pm to
quote:

Is this a tele?


Yes, and I kinda want one. Then again, I want almost everything I see.
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 2:46 pm
Posted by bluemoons
the marsh
Member since Oct 2012
5891 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:56 pm to
Take it for what it’s worth because I’m not a guitar savant, but I’ve got an American Standard strat and an American Deluxe tele with noiseless n3 singles. Both have maple necks. The tele is my favorite guitar I’ve ever owned. I pretty much strictly play it through a blues jr with Cannabis Rex and the tone is unreal. Sometimes I’ll put a ts808 in front of the amp but rarely. The American deluxe with the n3s has a pretty dramatic tone difference between pickups. The treble is super gritty and twangy. It distorts easily but keeps under control. The bridge gets really mellow and also really bluesy, and is similar to a lot of sounds I hear from Isbell and his band.

I love my strat too and it’s got a true strat tone, but I play the tele way more often. Like I said I’m no savant by any means and I’m not super good at guitar, but I’ve got both and I play the tele way more often. My thoughts are super subjective but I’d definitely recommend buying one regardless. Worst case scenario you just rounded out your Fender collection.
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 9:59 pm
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
71164 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 10:30 pm to
quote:

I’ve been a long time Strat player, and although I have other guitars I play with some sense of regularity, I always tend to revert back to the familiar and comfy Strat, but lately I’ve been really researching T-type guitars as I would love to have one that really grabs me and I can get personally invested in as a player.

I have three of what I call custom "contour Teles" in my shop right now ... Tele bodies with arm and belly cuts like a Strat. Many manufacturers make them. If you want the look, tone and vibe of a Tele but a Strat against your ribs and under your forearm, be sure to check out Teles with belly and arm cuts.

I’m not sure the configuration and whether I should deviate from the infamous single coil at the bridge or not and go with 2 humbuckers, one at the neck, or single and lipstick. I’m not really a country picker, but would like something relatively versatile without deviating too far from the Tele tone, or else, why would I get one in the first place.

A Tele in stock form is the most versatile solidbody electric guitar on the planet. They are virtually unchanged since 1950 for good reason. And a Tele with anything other than two Telecaster or Tele-blueprint/footprint pickups is not a Telecaster. Period.

I’ve long heard of the notorious intuition issues associated with the 3 brass saddles, and want to avoid anything not compensated. Is that something to be concerned over or not?

Use compensated barrel saddles to correct intonation woes. My favorites are Gotoh's compensated brass barrels for some extra warmth.

I’ve never owned a Mexican made Fender. Is there a noticeable difference in craftsmanship, be it electric or fret work, etc that sets one apart from the other?

You will get mixed reviews and opinions. The Fender Ensenada pieces in recent times are excellent in my opinion. My recommendation is to try a variety and decide for yourself; and buy a cleaned used example of whatever you pick to get the most bang for your buck.


The Fret Shack makes an absolute banger of a Tele. If I ever was in the market for another one, I would definitely buy one of his.

TBH, I've been entertaining the idea of putting some of those EVH style carondelet pickups of his in my red LP.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
23416 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 8:15 am to
I have:

Mexi tele - SS setup. It’s a fender but a bit beat up so it’s more of a future project than anything I ever play right now, but nothing compared to my next two

American deluxe tele - made around 2014, SS setup, cutaway in the back of the body like a strat, locking tuners, can tap and get the two pups wired together. It’s an incredible guitar. Took me years to understand the power of that tele bridge pickup is probably capable of the nastiest tone the a guitar can have.

Fender American professional II Tele deluxe- this one still in production, HH setup that can tab to single coils. Same cutaway/contour in the back of the body, this seems to be what makes a tele a deluxe these days (I think the original use of the name was the SH setup that Keith Richards plays). I love this guitar. Was about to buy a strat in the same series, but I really needed some humbuckers. Played a few gibsons in that price range and they honestly feel like toys compared to fenders at the same price point. Had an epiphany to just get the tele (which I obviously love the body style) with the pup setup I was less familiar with but wanted access to. I’m currently playing this one daily. My buddy, who is an excellent player and could play professionally if he committed to it, wound up buying one a month ago after already buying a jazz master in the same line because he was jealous of my choice.

I looked at all of the Fender models you listed when I bought the last one I listed. Definitely thought about them but ultimately went with the professional II because it was on par with my American deluxe quality and feature-wise. While I love the features, I did this so mentally I wouldn’t consider one better than the other. Might sound like strange reasoning but I tend to only play one guitar at a time and wanted this one to get some time.

The professional 2 and American performer have gotten incredible reviews across the board. I will say that the contour in the back is so damn comfortable I never want to put it down. With you being a strat player, I would not ignore this seemingly small detail, as it will feel very familiar and help you pick it up more often. Of the models listed it looks like the jason isabell actually has that contour. You may als find HH setup gives enough versatility from the strat to spend time with it, but again, that single coil bridge in the tele is something every guitar player should have access to.

Lastly, I’m not a country picker at all. Sometimes I can get that feeling but I tend to be more classic rock and funk sounding (my playing is more chordal, I can rip pentatonics but I am a much better rhythm than lead player). These days I pretty much play whatever I hear so I like versatility.

I’d love to give you a definitive “go with this one”, but I struggled with the same little decisions as you when I bought my last one in august. I was set on the strat, then maybe a Gibson, and all the sudden I had the deluxe being shipped without playing it. One justification I can give related to this comment
quote:

would like something relatively versatile without deviating too far from the Tele tone, or else, why would I get one in the first place.


The HH tele will feel more like a strat than an SG or LP, but give you humbuckers for versatility. While not the same as true singles, you can tap to get singles in either position.

If it’s in your price range, go American. Great resale and craftsmanship is excellent. Mexicans these days get great reviews as well but the Americans compete with the very best guitars in production today and can be had at a great price point. I got mine from GC online and emailed to get 10-15% off listed price. Ordered from them just because of availability.


ETA: apparently the belly cut is not a small detail as everyone in this thread has mentioned it, including the guy that makes guitars for a living
This post was edited on 3/30/22 at 8:21 am
Posted by TheFretShack
Member since Oct 2015
1383 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 9:32 am to
TBH, I've been entertaining the idea of putting some of those EVH style carondelet pickups of his in my red LP.

Cue the shameless self-promotion ... here's me noodling on the couch with the pickup to which KB refers and the newest addition to my axe stable ...

Carondelet's EVH-insired "Secret Sauce" Humbucker

Posted by Telecaster
Memphis
Member since May 2017
2305 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 10:03 am to
My stable of Telecasters:

-‘52 Reissue with modern wiring for the neck pickup.
-MIM with replacement StewMac 3 barrel brass bridge.
-Another MIM with a StewMac brass replacement bridge.
-Nashville Tele with no changes.
-Squire Affinity Butterscotch/black guard with a StewMac bridge, no other changes.

The Squire after a fret polishing is a very nice instrument. Amazing for the price.

The Nashville is too heavy. I’ve been tempted to sell it, but it sure sounds good.

The ‘52 RI is just a sweet guitar. Very nice.

I picked up both of my MIM’s dirt cheap used.

I love the way a Tele looks. I love how they sound. See my tagline.

Spank the plank y’all.
Posted by Stan Switek
Member since Apr 2017
475 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 10:20 am to
The teles I have that don't stay in the case are both parts casters. I really like the Warmoth necks with a compound radius, jumbo frets, and satin finish on the fingerboard. One has a b bender and SD antiquity pickups that's a lot of fun to play. I've never had a problem with the vintage style bridges.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27872 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 10:48 am to
quote:

the shameless self-promotion ... here's me noodling on the couch with the pickup to which KB refers and the newest


So what all is that PU capable of? I see EVH and of course think Van Halen and Eruption. Or Got Me Going.

Are they versatile. You said “noodling” which leads me to believe they are. And can be quiet “couch appropriate” sounding. Of course if your living is guitar rehab/repair. Yours and my idea of couch music may differ. Lol
Posted by TheFretShack
Member since Oct 2015
1383 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 11:10 am to
It's just a great all-around rock humbucker that has a distinct VH vibe in regard to tone and feel. I call it the "Secret Sauce" because like a really good condiment, it bumps up a notch whatever it's teamed up with.

"Noodling" implied totally off the cuff impromptu playing. When I get a formal video with someone who can actually perform VH chops and licks better than I can, I'll start a fresh thread that doesn't get the Tele thread off topic.
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