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re: Anyone else not care about the meanings of songs?

Posted on 2/28/19 at 10:42 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 2/28/19 at 10:42 am to
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really care about the overall sound whereas you really focus on the lyrics.


Actually I do both. I find it impossible to understand the meaning/feeling of a song set apart from the lyrics.
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 2/28/19 at 10:58 am to
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Actually I do both. I find it impossible to understand the meaning/feeling of a song set apart from the lyrics.



and my title is actually wrong, its not that I dont care about the meaning, its that I can rarely understand what is being sung lyrics wise in a song. Its just the way my brain functions I guess.
Posted by Rep520
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Posted on 2/28/19 at 11:01 am to
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I find it impossible to understand the meaning/feeling of a song set apart from the lyrics.


What about songs where the lyrics are opposite from the feeling of the song?

I'm thinking of Springsteen's Born in the USA, where the feeling of the song is energetic and happy, and the lyrics are dark and about struggle, depression and death.
Posted by ThePenIsMightier
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Posted on 2/28/19 at 11:38 am to
Just curious - what type of musician do you prefer? One who is perfect in technique or one who isn't great technically but plays with a lot of feeling?
Posted by Undertow
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Posted on 2/28/19 at 12:12 pm to
It’s definitely primarily about the music for me. If the lyrics are particularly poetic or deep it’s just icing on the cake.
Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 2/28/19 at 12:30 pm to
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I'm thinking of Springsteen's Born in the USA, where the feeling of the song is energetic and happy, and the lyrics are dark and about struggle, depression and death.


Because it's about putting on a happy face and pretending everything is ok when everything is f&%ked up and needs to be changed. The whole theme of the song is that what is happening to the people described should not be possible "in the USA", but that these kinds of things happen far too frequently. It's a song about how the U.S. rants about American Exceptionism, but that outcomes for individuals often feel like all of that lofty rhetoric is just that: empty rhetoric. It's a political song that is treading the line of being both patriotic yet incredibly critical of America.

With all that said, I'm not a huge fan of the song because much like "I Will Survive", it is just repeating the same synthesizer riff and chords over and over again with zero variation. Most songs have at least A and B sections, and usually A, B, and C sections. "Born in the USA" is just A all the way.
Posted by Rep520
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Posted on 2/28/19 at 12:59 pm to
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The whole theme of the song is that what is happening to the people described should not be possible "in the USA", but that these kinds of things happen far too frequently.


I always had a slightly different take. I interpreted the contrast as commentary on how rah rah patriotism cloaks the sadder realities of some parts of America.

The chorus and instrumentation are pure rah rah America, so much that Reagan used it in his '84 rallies. I always saw the lyrics as the representation of the underbelly of struggle of the poorer man in the dying industrial town.

I think that's close to your interpretation with a few tweaks. I asked the question because I find interpretation of those sorts of songs really interesting.
Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 2/28/19 at 1:06 pm to
We're very much so on the same page. I think that is why Reagan chose the song. I think a lot of people who didn't grow up in that era and didn't listen to the lyrics too much just wrote it off as some kind of jingoistic patriotism song like all the "Boot up their arse" country songs that came out after 9/11, but it really is a much more interesting critique of how the American dream needs saving. Reagan was so successful on the campaign trail because his platform resonated with the kinds of people who were facing the same struggles as the people described in the song. The song is somehow patriotic, cynical, depressing, and hopeful all at the same time. That is the power of lyrics.

Some lyrics are great because of the stories they tell.

Some are great because of the witty wordplay or images they are able to convey.

Some lyrics are just fun to say.
Posted by Rep520
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Posted on 2/28/19 at 1:19 pm to
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it really is a much more interesting critique of how the American dream needs saving.


Yes, and how it goes sour or reality sets in when it does.

It's a good song for my overall feelings on lyrics. When they add a dimension to my enjoyment that doesn't otherwise exist, they add to the song greatly.

When they're middle of the road, I don't usually care much and they just flow with the overall song. When they're especially stupid, they'll really distract me if the song is otherwise good.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 2/28/19 at 3:04 pm to
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Actually I do both. I find it impossible to understand the meaning/feeling of a song set apart from the lyrics.
So how do you feel about instrumental music? For me, the melody carries as much (or more) heft than any lyrics.
Posted by AU_251
Your dads room
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Posted on 2/28/19 at 3:26 pm to
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I love music but the lyrics are secondary to me.


I will just never understand this way of thinking.

Lyrics, songs, poems, etc.. all go together with me.

Songwriting to me is just as much about the lyrics as the chord progression, or lead guitar during the breaks... to each his own I reckon
Posted by AU_251
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Posted on 2/28/19 at 3:31 pm to
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So how do you feel about instrumental music?


I love instrumental music, but that doesn't really pertain here...

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For me, the melody carries as much (or more) heft than any lyrics.


I think for every artist (and listener) this is different. If the music sucks, and lyrics kick arse, the song sucks. If the music kicks arse, and the lyrics suck, the song sucks.

Luckily all the artists I like are exceptional at their instruments as well as writing songs/lyrics
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 2/28/19 at 3:39 pm to
the funniest is when you see thousands of chicks singing along with "Lips of an Angel" by Hinder.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 2/28/19 at 4:03 pm to
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the funniest is when you see thousands of chicks singing along with "Lips of an Angel" by Hinder.


I remember one time in high school, I was riding in my car listening to 104.9 The X with Dan Day. Some girl calls in to request a song. Dan's like "whatta you wanna hear?" She says something like "I want to hear that 'Lips of an Angel' song by Hinder cause it's so sweet and reminds me of the stuff my boyfriend says to me and I love him so much!" Dan was just like "yeah...you might want to listen to the lyrics in that song again...and HERE IT IS BY REQUEST ON 104.9: THE XXXXXXXXXXXX!"

I just busted out laughing in my car and almost didn't stop in time at the light.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 2/28/19 at 6:45 pm to
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If the music kicks arse, and the lyrics suck, the song sucks.
I don't agree with this (at least not usually.) Even for my very favorite bands, I don't know a lot of the lyrics. I maintain that writing a good melody is the hardest act in the musical arts. I never understand why Bernie Taupin gets more than a small fraction of the credit for "songwriting" that Elton gets, e.g.

Stated differently: if Bernie Taupin gave you "finished" lyrics to 12 songs and told you to come up with melodies, harmonies and rhythms to go with them, barely anyone could do that competently (like, maybe 1 in a million). If it were the reverse, a person of slightly above-average intellect could create passable lyrics to go with the incredible music.

The melody is the hard part.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 2/28/19 at 7:02 pm to
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If the music kicks arse, and the lyrics suck, the song sucks
I don't agree
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70478 posts
Posted on 2/28/19 at 7:15 pm to
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If the music sucks, and lyrics kick arse, the song sucks.


There's a lot of songs that, in my opinion, have mediocre to terrible lyrics that I absolutely love. A few submissions:
Helter Skelter - The Beatles
Love Gun - Kiss

The Beatles have a lot of songs with simple dumb lyrics.
Posted by ruzil
WNC
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 2/28/19 at 7:41 pm to
This thread reminds me of how much my appreciation of Bob Dylan has changed over the years.

When I was in high school in the mid-late '70's, Dylan got a lot of play on the radio. I would always change the station because I hated his voice and didn't think much of his music.

Now, in my fifties, he is one of my favorite artists to listen to. I guess, having accumulated more life experiences, I can relate to his songs more and don't really notice that his singing is less than ideal.

I especially like the opening lines of Tangled up in Blue that high school me wouldn't have noticed.

Early one mornin' the sun was shinin'
I was layin' in bed
Wondrin' if she'd changed at all
If her hair was still red


Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 2/28/19 at 8:00 pm to
It all depends on the artist. I find a lot of songs don’t mean anything, they’re just something to sing. And people ty to ascribe meaning to them is weird and pointless because there’s nothing there. Others actually write songs that have meaning and it’s generally easy to pick those apart from the crowd even if the writing seems ambiguous.
Posted by Tigertown in ATL
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Posted on 2/28/19 at 8:45 pm to
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Shitty/cheesy/slapdick lyrics will ruin a song for me any day of the week.


I’m guessing you actually like a lot of songs with shitty/cheesy/slapdick lyrics but don’t define them that way.

Unless you are really highbrow when it comes to music. And nothing wrong with that.

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Luckily all the artists I like are exceptional at their instruments as well as writing songs/lyrics


Share some of these so we can pick apart the lyrics.
This post was edited on 2/28/19 at 8:50 pm
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