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Acoustic Guitar Fake Aged Finishes - A Rant
Posted on 7/6/21 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 7/6/21 at 2:49 pm
This is a rant, turn around now or be warned.
I absolutely hate the trend of fake aging on the finishes of high end acoustic guitars. When you spend several thousand dollars on a fine newly made guitar, it should have a fresh high quality brand new tone wood top on it. For example, a new Martin Authentic Series D-28 1937 ($6,899 list price) at the premium end of their line looks like this with brand new spruce:
It is fresh, bright, and youthful. It has its whole life ahead of it and the lives of several players.
As the decades go by, that wood will dry out and the resin will slowly crystallize, making the top a deep golden hue with a very brittle cellular structure. It will also sound incredible because every bit of input gets translated through that dry brittle wood top. It will also inevitably accumulate some dings and scratches, which can add character if it is not too extreme. It speaks to the long life of the instrument and the pickers who played it. This is an incredibly expensive and well-cared for Martin constructed in 1941:
Look at that golden treasure. It exudes class, grace, and timeless beauty. You can just look at it and know that it has the sound. It's had 80 years of break-in and now has more to teach you than you have to teach it. These guitars are family heirlooms that truly hit their full potential with the second and third generation of owners.
This brings me to the scourge of fake "aging." I'm not talking about torrefied tops that are dried out in kilns to simulate old dry wood. I love torrefied tops and they sound amazing. They also do not generally have any changes to the surface appearance of the wood; they are visually identical to normal untorrefied tops.
No, I am talking about using dyes and coatings and rubs and sandpaper and fake grit to frick up an otherwise high quality instrument. Here is that same Martin Authentic Series D-28 1937, but with their special "aged finish."
Look at this abortion. What the frick is that?!? It looks like Caitlyn Jenner with a quarter inch of caked on makeup trying to appear feminine. The color is all wrong. The price? $7,999 list. More than a thousand dollars beyond the standard finish. I admit that this is the worst picture I could find, but 1) it's Martin's stock photo on the website and 2) even the actual photos from third parties online show that the top color is some sort of sickly yellow green:
I note that there are aged finishes that look good off the assembly line. But how will they look in 30 years? Will they continue to age normally? We don't know. Guess the owners will find out.
Here is a "distressed" D-18 ($6,799 list), complete with fake sweat and oil smudges so you don't have to do it yourself:
For what? So you can have a guitar with fake character? So you can ruin a piece of fine craftsmanship and disinherit it from its birthright of 80 years of graceful aging and genuine accumulation of scars, memories, and character? This shite is ridiculous to me and I cannot understand why someone would spend the money to take a gorgeous heirloom instrument and coat it in goddamn spray on tan and henna tattoos.
I am sure someone will come in here and say, "well look at this one, they aren't all hideous!" I know. But even the ones that look good are still faking something for appearances only. Nothing about your sound changes because Jimmy at the Martin factory rubbed some spit into the bridge area and scuffed up the pick guard a bit. It's just fake and gay. One day your great grandchild will pick up this guitar wondering if this smudge or that scratch was from great granddad in 2021 or if it's some fake applique from the factory. "Gee," he ponders. "I wonder what it would have looked like without all this fake bullshite on it."
You can't change my mind. It's a rant. I know there are counter points. I don't care. GTF off my lawn.
/rant
I absolutely hate the trend of fake aging on the finishes of high end acoustic guitars. When you spend several thousand dollars on a fine newly made guitar, it should have a fresh high quality brand new tone wood top on it. For example, a new Martin Authentic Series D-28 1937 ($6,899 list price) at the premium end of their line looks like this with brand new spruce:
It is fresh, bright, and youthful. It has its whole life ahead of it and the lives of several players.
As the decades go by, that wood will dry out and the resin will slowly crystallize, making the top a deep golden hue with a very brittle cellular structure. It will also sound incredible because every bit of input gets translated through that dry brittle wood top. It will also inevitably accumulate some dings and scratches, which can add character if it is not too extreme. It speaks to the long life of the instrument and the pickers who played it. This is an incredibly expensive and well-cared for Martin constructed in 1941:
Look at that golden treasure. It exudes class, grace, and timeless beauty. You can just look at it and know that it has the sound. It's had 80 years of break-in and now has more to teach you than you have to teach it. These guitars are family heirlooms that truly hit their full potential with the second and third generation of owners.
This brings me to the scourge of fake "aging." I'm not talking about torrefied tops that are dried out in kilns to simulate old dry wood. I love torrefied tops and they sound amazing. They also do not generally have any changes to the surface appearance of the wood; they are visually identical to normal untorrefied tops.
No, I am talking about using dyes and coatings and rubs and sandpaper and fake grit to frick up an otherwise high quality instrument. Here is that same Martin Authentic Series D-28 1937, but with their special "aged finish."
Look at this abortion. What the frick is that?!? It looks like Caitlyn Jenner with a quarter inch of caked on makeup trying to appear feminine. The color is all wrong. The price? $7,999 list. More than a thousand dollars beyond the standard finish. I admit that this is the worst picture I could find, but 1) it's Martin's stock photo on the website and 2) even the actual photos from third parties online show that the top color is some sort of sickly yellow green:
I note that there are aged finishes that look good off the assembly line. But how will they look in 30 years? Will they continue to age normally? We don't know. Guess the owners will find out.
Here is a "distressed" D-18 ($6,799 list), complete with fake sweat and oil smudges so you don't have to do it yourself:
For what? So you can have a guitar with fake character? So you can ruin a piece of fine craftsmanship and disinherit it from its birthright of 80 years of graceful aging and genuine accumulation of scars, memories, and character? This shite is ridiculous to me and I cannot understand why someone would spend the money to take a gorgeous heirloom instrument and coat it in goddamn spray on tan and henna tattoos.
I am sure someone will come in here and say, "well look at this one, they aren't all hideous!" I know. But even the ones that look good are still faking something for appearances only. Nothing about your sound changes because Jimmy at the Martin factory rubbed some spit into the bridge area and scuffed up the pick guard a bit. It's just fake and gay. One day your great grandchild will pick up this guitar wondering if this smudge or that scratch was from great granddad in 2021 or if it's some fake applique from the factory. "Gee," he ponders. "I wonder what it would have looked like without all this fake bullshite on it."
You can't change my mind. It's a rant. I know there are counter points. I don't care. GTF off my lawn.
/rant
This post was edited on 7/6/21 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 7/6/21 at 3:10 pm to Tigerlaff
Posted on 7/6/21 at 3:11 pm to Tigerlaff
Talking about faked versus the real thing...
... thought it appropriate since it was in the link below yours.
... thought it appropriate since it was in the link below yours.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 3:23 pm to SidewalkTiger
This is a crime. Almost $5k for this.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 3:29 pm to Tigerlaff
100% in agreement. I don’t understand people who want faux distressed guitars. It’s one thing to want a genuine relic that got that way from 50 years of love, use, and abuse, especially by someone famous or by someone the owner has an emotional connection with, but faking that look for fashion is a big crime to me.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 4:31 pm to Tigerlaff
The worst is when the relic job includes areas of the guitar that never show that much wear on an original. How many Tele players play on the 18th fret enough to wear the nitro off the fretboard? Very, very few. No idea why there is wear above the pickguard of that Tele either, makes no sense.
It's comical that the control plate and knobs look perfect.
It's comical that the control plate and knobs look perfect.
This post was edited on 7/6/21 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 7/6/21 at 5:00 pm to Tigerlaff
Yessir. Preach it.
Dittos on factory relic Telecasters also. Fake and phony.
Dittos on factory relic Telecasters also. Fake and phony.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 5:59 pm to Tigerlaff
People either like a relic or hate it. There’s no in between. I see we have a lot of haters in here. Nothing wrong with that.
But a relic strat is pretty cool. I’m trying to decide on the colors for a relic strat myself. I’m thinking baby blue over sunburst. It just looks cool.
I know I didn’t put those scratches etc there, so call me a poser or whatever but I’m 40 and haven’t been playing for 25 years. I’ll never play one long enough to make it look like that.
I guess it’s kinda like tattoos. People either like them or hate them. You either want them or don’t understand why anyone would. I don’t like them but hey, each their own.
A beat up strat just looks cool. However if my gretsch got a scratch on it I’d probably stare at it wanting to throw up for weeks.
But a relic strat is pretty cool. I’m trying to decide on the colors for a relic strat myself. I’m thinking baby blue over sunburst. It just looks cool.
I know I didn’t put those scratches etc there, so call me a poser or whatever but I’m 40 and haven’t been playing for 25 years. I’ll never play one long enough to make it look like that.
I guess it’s kinda like tattoos. People either like them or hate them. You either want them or don’t understand why anyone would. I don’t like them but hey, each their own.
A beat up strat just looks cool. However if my gretsch got a scratch on it I’d probably stare at it wanting to throw up for weeks.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 6:26 pm to lsu1919
You could always buy one someone else already beat up rather than taking a perfectly good instrument and torturing it just to chase a “look”.
Fyi, I don’t just think this way about guitars. I feel the same about faux distressed finishes on furniture and automobiles too.
Fyi, I don’t just think this way about guitars. I feel the same about faux distressed finishes on furniture and automobiles too.
This post was edited on 7/6/21 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 7/6/21 at 6:34 pm to lsu1919
Only thing that matters about any guitar: how does it play and sound?
Posted on 7/6/21 at 6:52 pm to auggie
quote:
Only thing that matters about any guitar: how does it play and sound?
In the case of the guitars I posted, I think this makes it worse. Those gross fake finishes are set on top of absolutely wonderful instruments. They deserve better.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 7:34 pm to Tigerlaff
..Does anyone else here play anything other than acoustic guitars?
Posted on 7/6/21 at 7:50 pm to SEClint
If you guys think those $5K and up limited run Martins - relic, mint or otherwise - are marketed at actual players like we on this forum, you simply don't know the market. Those are for collectors and investors. In the case of the Martins cited at the top of this thread, I'd be surprised if ONLY half end up with the emerging market of collectors in Asia.
I work on guitars all day, every day, and I can count on two hands how many non-investment daily player $5K acoustics I've seen in the six years I've had my shop.
Also, just to play devil's advocate ... so if a relic'ed finish is a shortcut, unearned cheap copy of the real thing and that's why we hate them... the exact same argument can be made to bash Asian LP or strat or tele copies or Asian X-braced dreadnaughts. Those are also shortcut copies of what they mimic, for people who can't afford and/or can't wait to obtain the real deal.
Which buy is the affordable value-minded alternative, and which buy is the cheap fix cop out? I guess it depends on if you're the buyer.
I work on guitars all day, every day, and I can count on two hands how many non-investment daily player $5K acoustics I've seen in the six years I've had my shop.
Also, just to play devil's advocate ... so if a relic'ed finish is a shortcut, unearned cheap copy of the real thing and that's why we hate them... the exact same argument can be made to bash Asian LP or strat or tele copies or Asian X-braced dreadnaughts. Those are also shortcut copies of what they mimic, for people who can't afford and/or can't wait to obtain the real deal.
Which buy is the affordable value-minded alternative, and which buy is the cheap fix cop out? I guess it depends on if you're the buyer.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 8:08 pm to TheFretShack
quote:
the exact same argument can be made to bash Asian LP or strat or tele copies or Asian X-braced dreadnaughts. Those are also shortcut copies of what they mimic, for people who can't afford and/or can't wait to obtain the real deal.
I don't really think that's a great analogy. Yes, both are shortcuts to get somewhere, but one of those shortcuts is 1) ugly and 2) slapped onto one of the finest instruments avaliable outside of boutique builders.
I own a Mexican strat and it's fine for what it is and what I paid for it. I wouldn't have put a bunch of stickers on it when I was 15 if it was a high end American standard.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 8:09 pm to SEClint
quote:
Does anyone else here play anything other than acoustic guitars?
Got an SG standard, a Mexican strat, a 3rd Eye baritone, and a bass.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 8:13 pm to TheFretShack
People do make fun of knockoff guitars…a lot. That’s why it has taken some brands like PRS decades to break the stigma and gain acclaim as a solid brand in their own right. An epiphone from Korea is never a Les Paul. It’s just a cheap facsimile. That works for those who can’t afford the real thing, but nearly all of them will aspire to one day have the genuine article. The difference is that making a cheaper LP from inferior components overseas doesn’t destroy a real LP.
Putting a faux distressed finish on a clean guitar does likely prevent that guitar from ever having a clean finish. You can always distress a clean guitar, but it’s pretty damn hard to make a really distressed guitar look clean again. Granted, I can upgrade the inferior electronics, tunors, nut, pickups, etc in a knockoff LP and get something that sounds kinda close to the real thing, but it will still be a knockoff.
Finally, I see no shortage of beat to hell instruments. They’re f$&king everywhere. Most of them won’t be genuine 70’s telecasters, but neither are the faux ones coming off the assembly line. There’s no need to make more beat up instruments when there’s so many that are begging for someone to restore and give them a little tlc. I saw a beat up 90’s american strat that had me super tempted the other day. If I had a few hundos lying around, I’d probably have bought it and brought it over to FretShack to make it sing again.
Granted, these things really only matter to guitar players’ egos.
I play mostly electrics. I own two knock-off LP’s with one being a vintage one from the lawsuit era, I have a completely beat to hell black Ibanez Gio that’s not worth the money to repair to make it playable, a fender American standard tele that’s gorgeous, a kramer focus bass with some age on it probably from the late 90’s/early 2000’s, a 6 string alvarez classical guitar from the late 70’s which belonged to my mom (has a little wear and tear), and a 12 string Ibanez acoustic which I don’t think is particularly old but isn’t new either.
Putting a faux distressed finish on a clean guitar does likely prevent that guitar from ever having a clean finish. You can always distress a clean guitar, but it’s pretty damn hard to make a really distressed guitar look clean again. Granted, I can upgrade the inferior electronics, tunors, nut, pickups, etc in a knockoff LP and get something that sounds kinda close to the real thing, but it will still be a knockoff.
Finally, I see no shortage of beat to hell instruments. They’re f$&king everywhere. Most of them won’t be genuine 70’s telecasters, but neither are the faux ones coming off the assembly line. There’s no need to make more beat up instruments when there’s so many that are begging for someone to restore and give them a little tlc. I saw a beat up 90’s american strat that had me super tempted the other day. If I had a few hundos lying around, I’d probably have bought it and brought it over to FretShack to make it sing again.
Granted, these things really only matter to guitar players’ egos.
quote:
Does anyone else here play anything other than acoustic guitars?
I play mostly electrics. I own two knock-off LP’s with one being a vintage one from the lawsuit era, I have a completely beat to hell black Ibanez Gio that’s not worth the money to repair to make it playable, a fender American standard tele that’s gorgeous, a kramer focus bass with some age on it probably from the late 90’s/early 2000’s, a 6 string alvarez classical guitar from the late 70’s which belonged to my mom (has a little wear and tear), and a 12 string Ibanez acoustic which I don’t think is particularly old but isn’t new either.
This post was edited on 7/6/21 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 7/6/21 at 8:40 pm to Tigerlaff
I bought a ‘road worn’ 1962 anniversary edition Jazz bass. The same bass with a new finish was several hundred dollars higher.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 9:05 pm to kingbob
A crash course for the guys who think relics are just beat-to-hell guitars.
Let's go back to the Fender Custom Shop in the 1990s, and let's meet Vince Cunetto
Let's go back to the Fender Custom Shop in the 1990s, and let's meet Vince Cunetto
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