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re: Ace Frehley having a good old fashioned meltdown on Facebook

Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:03 pm to
Posted by wartiger2004
9X National Champions WDE RIP CK
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:03 pm to
Ace hasn't been sober since he was 1 day old period.
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
27510 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:10 pm to
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I have to admit that when I was a kid I idolized Gene Simmons. Now that I’ve been an adult for many years I’ve come to see him for what he really is....a self absorbed, greedy and morally bankrupt a-hole. That prick worships the almighty dollar and I would venture to say that he would gladly sell out his own mother to make a buck.


I agree with this, but what really blows my mind is that when people decide to take out a loan and plunge themselves into debt to afford one of their meet and greet packages they generally claim that Gene was actually super friendly and down to Earth and that it was Paul who was more kind of distant and not very interested. I swear a lot of what we see of Gene in interviews, in front of the camera, etc. is all a character...nothing but a show to project how much of a rock star he is.

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here's a video floating around on YouTube of Gene having a 30-minute debate with Bob Lefsetz about the music and record business. For about the first 3-5 minutes, Gene seemed to be holding his own, but only until he'd exhausted all his usual recycled talking points...the next 25 minutes, Lefsetz exposed him as the buffoon he really is. The debate took place at the same time Gene was relaunching Simmons Records, and based on his answers in the debate, it's no surprise the company folded shortly after.


Paul Stanley's latest book spends a lot of time blasting the other 3 original founders of KISS - including Simmons. I recall that Stanley almost explicitly states something along the lines of that Gene isn't a great businessman, his greatest sell has been convincing everyone that he is a great businessman.

It's sad. Love KISS. They're my favorite band, but damn it's sad to see them all basically hate each other and go after each other publicly - some of it deserved some of it not so much. Even sadder when you go watch all their stuff from like '73-75 before they hit it big and they were just 4 guys busting their arse to make it.

Worst part is one could have believed there had been a mending. Gene played with Ace live to promote Gene's Vault, Paul appeared on Ace's latest album and even appeared in a music video together, etc.

This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 3:07 pm
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
51416 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:29 pm to
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the carnival act they've become over



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the carnival act they've always been

Posted by yallgood
Franklinton
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:58 pm to
Met all four originals at different times. Gene and Peter couldn't have been more gracious. Paul and Ace not so much.
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 4:38 pm to
Paul is the biggest douche of the bunch. I mean unreal holy hell of a piece of shite.

Gene is basically rock and roll Donald Trump. He took on the American Dream, so he imagined it as, and it worked.

Ace and Dave Mustaine need to have a cup of coffee. Two unreal good guitarists who just didnt win out in life like their bandmates. Yeah Ace is undoubtedly the best in solo, but KISS trumps anything he did, including the stuff he wasnt around for.

Peter is my favorite. Always will be.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
27995 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 5:21 pm to
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we talking about Kiss


KISS was the band that allowed me to learn what exactly a producer does in the studio. Bob Ezrin produced Destroyer, an album that sounds nothing like every other KISS record. It actually contained some decent songs and solos and lyrics. However, the rumor now is that there were several other players who worked on the record.
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 6:16 pm to
I always hear people on Destroyer. I only wish Hotter Than Hell could have been produced that way because in my opinion, it is their best work. Every song is good.
Posted by Sayre
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Nov 2011
5754 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 6:58 pm to
Ace is right. He's in great shape to play shows.
Posted by Cdawg
TigerFred's Living Room
Member since Sep 2003
62214 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 8:42 am to
Hotter than Hell is good all the way through. It still has that raw unpolished quality.

I'll say it. Dynasty might be my favorite one today. It has grown on me. It just screams 1979 New York City scene. Even the Stones or the Dead couldn't escape that sound in 1979.




Posted by vandelay industries
CSRA
Member since May 2012
2509 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 8:54 am to
True, but the Stones and the Dead had the personnel to capture the sound of "Miss You" or "Shakedown Street" without studio manipulation. Whenever Kiss tries playing "I Was Made For Loving You" live tho, it sounds like four guys who never heard a groove in their lives, lol...
Posted by TFTC
Chicago, Il
Member since May 2010
23673 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 9:53 am to
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the carnival act they've always been


Ha! To my grade school self... they were awesome!
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 10:28 am to
We have similar tastes cdawg.

If I really wanna rock out to KISS, Creatures of the Night is it. Eric Carr...what a badass.
Posted by Cdawg
TigerFred's Living Room
Member since Sep 2003
62214 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 12:17 pm to
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live tho, it sounds like four guys who never heard a groove in their lives, lol...

I can't even deny that.

2000 ManThis is fake right?
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
51416 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 1:32 pm to
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2000 ManThis is fake right?

That is painful. Very, very painful.
Posted by Chitter Chatter
In and Out of Consciousness
Member since Sep 2009
4667 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 3:51 pm to
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Hotter Than Hell


That and the debut album sound like they were recorded in a tin can. Horribly produced but the songs on both are very good
Posted by Fontainebleau Dr.
Mid-View New Orleans
Member since Dec 2012
2401 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 4:09 pm to
KISS is my favorite band of all time.

But the story of Ace and Gene can basically be seen in their two KISS solo albums. Gene brought in every celebrity he could find to help him out. He even is rumored to have come close to getting the freaking Beatles back together on his album.

Ace just dived into the studio with Anton Fig and they did it on their own.

Ace’s album was the best and most successful of the 4 albums, and Gene never got over it.
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:06 pm to
Ace was on another level. Fractured Mirror was just such an awesome composition. Paul and Gene stuck to the "lemme frick you" mindless drivel.
Posted by Hangover Haven
Metry
Member since Oct 2013
34770 posts
Posted on 2/2/19 at 6:17 pm to
I saw them on their last "Farewell Tour"...
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
8192 posts
Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:53 pm to
That was a pretty shitty guitar solo.

I remember my 12 yr. old self arguing with my brother trying to convince him that Ace was better than Eddie Van Halen when Eruption first came out. Now I know better.

Still love them though. Last time I was them was around 6 years ago when they co-headlined with Motley Crue. Enjoyed it just as much as when I saw them for the first time in 1979 at the Centroplex.

A friend goes on the KISS cruise every year and seems to really enjoy the interactions he has had with all the band members. He’s had all the originals sign his arms and he tattooed the signatures to make them permanent.
This post was edited on 2/2/19 at 8:54 pm
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
77214 posts
Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:59 pm to
Never liked KISS that much. They always seemed too cartoonish for me.
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