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A flat vs G sharp
Posted on 7/27/24 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 7/27/24 at 7:37 pm
Am I the only one who cares about the rules?
If I'm on A, and I go down a half step, I'm on A flat. If i'm on G, and I go up a half step, I'm on G sharp.
Am I wrong?
If I'm on A, and I go down a half step, I'm on A flat. If i'm on G, and I go up a half step, I'm on G sharp.
Am I wrong?
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Posted on 7/27/24 at 7:42 pm to deeprig9
It’s a distinction without a difference, but that is the common convention.
Posted on 7/27/24 at 7:42 pm to deeprig9
C sharp or you'll B flat
Posted on 7/27/24 at 10:33 pm to deeprig9
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Am
Am doesn't have any sharps or flats
Posted on 7/27/24 at 10:51 pm to DoctorWorm
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Am doesn't have any sharps or flats
I fact checked you. Fact check shows you are correct.
Posted on 7/27/24 at 10:59 pm to deeprig9
I say screw all that shite and just tune down a half step
Posted on 7/28/24 at 2:46 am to deeprig9
This is a more complicated answer than most may think. Generally speaking, I’d agree with your statement. However, it can depend on the context/key as well as if you are playing an instrument where enharmonic pitches are the same frequency (fretted instruments/piano). Some string players will play a G# slightly different from and Ab once again depending on context and key.
Posted on 7/28/24 at 6:07 am to deeprig9
Sir, I’m a guitar player - not a musician.
Posted on 7/28/24 at 10:42 am to Telecaster
quote:Sir, I am a jammer - not a guitar player who is not a musician.
Sir, I’m a guitar player - not a musician.
Posted on 7/28/24 at 4:40 pm to deeprig9
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If I'm on A, and I go down a half step, I'm on A flat. If i'm on G, and I go up a half step, I'm on G sharp.
Yes, but that also depends on the key in which you're playing.
Posted on 7/28/24 at 11:16 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Yes, but that also depends on the key in which you're playing.
Let's say I'm playing in E.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 3:40 am to deeprig9
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Let's say I'm playing in E.
In E Major, it would almost certainly be a G# as that is the third of the scale and of the tonic chord. Ab is not part of the key. The caveat would be if you were in the process of modulating it might be better analyzed as an Ab depending on where the tonal center is moving.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 3:45 am to DoctorWorm
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Am doesn't have any sharps or flats
Neither an Am triad nor the A natural minor scale have any sharps or flats, but both the A Melodic minor and A Harmonic minor scales do. A Melodic minor has an F# and G# ascending (no accidentals descending) while the A harmonic mi nor scale is characterized by the augmented second between the F natural and G#.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 10:58 am to deeprig9
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Let's say I'm playing in E.
The very experienced player I'm playing with is OK with A flat or G sharp so long as I know what I'm playing, but he is a stickler on saying the song is in E even though it's in E-minor.
When I've asked him to explain why E and E-minor are both called E, he says musicians know the difference. Then I say "I'm not a musician!" and try to avoid the conversation in the future. I'm just glad he's had the patience to have some fun while I'm going through my growing pains.
This post was edited on 7/29/24 at 11:02 am
Posted on 7/29/24 at 1:47 pm to johnqpublic
G#. You don’t see flats until you get to the key of F major.
This post was edited on 7/29/24 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 7/29/24 at 2:40 pm to deeprig9
Think MATH... What does it matter what you call it? it is the same..
Personally, I tend to call it what it is in the movement of the song.. Walking UP vs DOWN? Key? but still.. It's just math...
Personally, I tend to call it what it is in the movement of the song.. Walking UP vs DOWN? Key? but still.. It's just math...
Posted on 7/29/24 at 4:31 pm to Mizz-SEC
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he is a stickler on saying the song is in E even though it's in E-minor.
I don't get this. If the song is in E-minor instead of E-major, that must be clear, because it changes the chords and notes that you need to play.
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When I've asked him to explain why E and E-minor are both called E,
The notes in an E-major chord are E-B-G#. The notes in an E-minor chord are E-B-G. ( I probably should have typed these E-G#-B and E-G-B.)
You always flatten the 3rd to get the minor of a major chord.
This post was edited on 7/29/24 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 7/30/24 at 6:31 pm to Mizz-SEC
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The very experienced player I'm playing with is OK with A flat or G sharp so long as I know what I'm playing, but he is a stickler on saying the song is in E even though it's in E-minor.
Perhaps in the circle he plays this is true but it isn't common. If you said something is in E, most musicians would assume E Major or ask "major or minor?"
If I were to write out the chord progression E A B, with no designation of major or minor, it is accepted these are all major chords.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 8:04 pm to johnqpublic
This thread made me realize, that I've never had a harmonica in a # key.
They are all stamped Gb Ab Bb and so on.
Most every one I have is a Hohner, maybe other makers use # instead?
I have a couple of Fenders and Suzuki's too, they are marked as flat also.
They are all stamped Gb Ab Bb and so on.
Most every one I have is a Hohner, maybe other makers use # instead?
I have a couple of Fenders and Suzuki's too, they are marked as flat also.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 8:28 pm to deeprig9
Doesn’t it have to do with the scale you’re playing in, thus how the formal sheet music will be laid out?
I mean drop D sludge for life.
I mean drop D sludge for life.
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