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re: Witcher season 2 middle ground thread. Now full book/upcoming season spoilers
Posted on 12/23/21 at 3:32 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
Posted on 12/23/21 at 3:32 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
LINK
YouTube video discussing deleted scenes. My god this could’ve been a lot worse.
To the poster I’m replying to and his comment about how the show should be more action and less about the oppression of the elves. The book they adapted is literally called blood of elves. It’s not an action packed or even somewhat action filled. It’s slow methodical and a heavy dialogue political drama for the most part. Pretty much all of the action they added not involving Riance was added for the show, and that’s a lot. Things pick up dramatically going forward. If they have any sense they’ll open season 3 with what happens on Thanned (sp?I can never remember) which will be looked on and received as the Red Wedding was initially.
YouTube video discussing deleted scenes. My god this could’ve been a lot worse.
To the poster I’m replying to and his comment about how the show should be more action and less about the oppression of the elves. The book they adapted is literally called blood of elves. It’s not an action packed or even somewhat action filled. It’s slow methodical and a heavy dialogue political drama for the most part. Pretty much all of the action they added not involving Riance was added for the show, and that’s a lot. Things pick up dramatically going forward. If they have any sense they’ll open season 3 with what happens on Thanned (sp?I can never remember) which will be looked on and received as the Red Wedding was initially.
This post was edited on 12/23/21 at 3:34 pm
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Posted on 12/23/21 at 3:37 pm to td01241
All I hear is that if this show runner is still around for season 3, look for the ratings to tank.
Don't blame me, and don't say you weren't warned.
Don't blame me, and don't say you weren't warned.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 3:47 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
I’m not sure where you are hearing this. I’ve made it clear in this thread I’m not exactly the biggest fan of their choices but the spirit of the Witcher and the real meat of the story is all set up and ready to ignite. That’s the consensus from pretty much most book fans I’ve seen with the complains being how they achieved where they are. The show is extremely popular and a massive hit for Netflix primarily for what I imagine is it’s biggest audience being people who just played Witcher 3. This show won’t tank it would take a massive fail almost on purpose far beyond anything close to season 2. It fills the void left by GoT and is in a solid position to grab those fans. It’s basically a story where everyone knows Jon’s identity and the prophecy around it already. People are interested in it and I’ve not seen anyone say anything like you mean.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 4:24 pm to td01241
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People are interested in it and I’ve not seen anyone say anything like you mean.
Here's a sample.
Eskel
It's not trash, but just a needless subversion for a show which should be epic. Still good, but could be better. Lots.
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Posted on 12/23/21 at 5:01 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
Eskel and the desecration of his corpse and everything that once made him a man is the most glaring failure I agree. It’s not only pretentious book snobs either. It doesn’t land for anyone at all. It’s purpose, per the show runner, was to spur Geralt into his eventual role with Ciri quicker but it just doesnt work 1) because he’s introduced and killed immediately so he was basically an extra and 2) because he’s an unlikeable douchebag most people wanted dead. Ultimately it is insignificant though moving forward since Eskel is basically a non entity. I do agree stuff like this keeps it from being great and in the decidedly good tier.
This post was edited on 12/23/21 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 12/23/21 at 6:03 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
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I don't even remember who the king is with the owl dude.
He’s the king before Radovich in the games.
The owl dude is The fat bald guy in you has the bath house in the games.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 9:24 pm to td01241
The second season was more like Xena Warrior Princess/ Hercules like more than anything. No nude Yennifer or Triss scene, all became racey but tamed.
Jaskier might have cause several witcher death simply by noping out and not giving Geralt the red ball thing to free Ciri.
The story I do like is the Elves, and I really can't blame the elf mage doing what she did, humans treated them like shite so don't be surprise if they have the power to hurt them back.
Not sure where it was going but... guess we'll see.
As far Duny revealed at the end...umm.. What? If hes the fricking emperor of a fricking huge empire why the frick did not just send a missive to Cintra queen and say "So yeah, I'd like my daughter to come live with me?"
I mean the grand mother was fine with him before she act like she didn't know Duny was the emperor and duny head his idenity too..
None of that needed to happened especially since the Empire seem to be way bigger than those northern kingdoms.
Jaskier might have cause several witcher death simply by noping out and not giving Geralt the red ball thing to free Ciri.
The story I do like is the Elves, and I really can't blame the elf mage doing what she did, humans treated them like shite so don't be surprise if they have the power to hurt them back.
Not sure where it was going but... guess we'll see.
As far Duny revealed at the end...umm.. What? If hes the fricking emperor of a fricking huge empire why the frick did not just send a missive to Cintra queen and say "So yeah, I'd like my daughter to come live with me?"
I mean the grand mother was fine with him before she act like she didn't know Duny was the emperor and duny head his idenity too..
None of that needed to happened especially since the Empire seem to be way bigger than those northern kingdoms.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 9:30 pm to Duzz
Yen who said she wanted to do the sex scenes for character development never showed up in a sex scene like her body double.
Yen, isn't that hot in this season.
They totally missed on the Triss casting.
It's a bait and switch like all shows and I called it a long time ago. Show T&A get popular and then show almost none, unless it's an uncredited extra.
The storyline went off the tracks this season just look at Eskel!
Yen, isn't that hot in this season.
They totally missed on the Triss casting.
It's a bait and switch like all shows and I called it a long time ago. Show T&A get popular and then show almost none, unless it's an uncredited extra.
The storyline went off the tracks this season just look at Eskel!
Posted on 12/23/21 at 10:57 pm to DoUrden
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The storyline went off the tracks this season just look at Eskel!
Who cares about Eskel? The books spend more pages describing Triss shitting in the bushes than talking about Eskel.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 6:40 am to td01241
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Ultimately it is insignificant though moving forward since Eskel is basically a non entity.
Seems to be a bit of a contradiction then. He was generally liked by fand, but also a non entity. If that's the case, then why the outcry when his character is snuffed out? Why even choose him to be the one who has to die? Why not some no name instead? Because the showrunner said they felt Geralt NEEDED it as motivation.
That's why this person needs to be off this show.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 9:19 am to Duzz
Ok the whole reveal with Duny/Emhyr seems to have a ton of people confused. I’m going to post below what could be considered big SPOILERS. It basically just outlines how he went from Cursed Hedgehog/Pavettas husband to the Emperor of Nilfgaard. Again Spoilers if you don’t want to know.
The Duny reveal wasn’t done in the books until close to the end of the very last novel. He was born as the son of the Emperor of Nilfgaard. The usurper who is mentioned from time to time in the show comes along and overthrows his father and has Duny cursed but he gets away. He gets roped into a scheme with Vilgefortz and wants to basically marry and impregnate his own daughter believing Ciris child is the one the prophecy speaks of not Ciri. He hatched a scheme with Vilgefortz to fake their deaths at sea. Pavetta learns of it before hand and stashes Ciri on Skellige. Duny gets angry pushes her overboard and she dies before being portabled out by Vilgefortz. He then later reclaims the throne he has a rightful claim to.
The Duny reveal wasn’t done in the books until close to the end of the very last novel. He was born as the son of the Emperor of Nilfgaard. The usurper who is mentioned from time to time in the show comes along and overthrows his father and has Duny cursed but he gets away. He gets roped into a scheme with Vilgefortz and wants to basically marry and impregnate his own daughter believing Ciris child is the one the prophecy speaks of not Ciri. He hatched a scheme with Vilgefortz to fake their deaths at sea. Pavetta learns of it before hand and stashes Ciri on Skellige. Duny gets angry pushes her overboard and she dies before being portabled out by Vilgefortz. He then later reclaims the throne he has a rightful claim to.
This post was edited on 12/24/21 at 9:23 am
Posted on 12/24/21 at 10:49 am to SouthEasternKaiju
You seem to be arguing for other people’s opinions of the show.
Did you care about Eskel?
He’s bigger in the games but idk about the books.
I thought It was weird but again not a book reader.
Did you care about Eskel?
He’s bigger in the games but idk about the books.
I thought It was weird but again not a book reader.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 10:50 am to SammyTiger
Killed a character that lived in the books and game.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 10:59 am to DoUrden
Is he important in the books?
Posted on 12/24/21 at 11:04 am to SammyTiger
He’s not. At all really. He’s a fan favorite though because of how he is portrayed and spends his limited amount of time.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 11:07 am to SammyTiger
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Is he important in the books?
This is the middle ground thread, maybe you want the NO SPOILERS thread. Stop making excuses for the show flaws in a thread where you don't know the lore.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 11:30 am to Duzz
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I mean the grand mother was fine with him before
She tried to have him killed.
Calanthe was extremely protective and possessive of Ciri.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 11:32 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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All I hear is that if this show runner is still around for season 3, look for the ratings to tank.
Season 3 = A Time of Contempt
Posted on 12/24/21 at 11:44 am to CGSC Lobotomy
It’s also a sort of underpinned but never outright stated idea that at some point she discovered who Duny actually is perhaps with Ermions help. This would give further credence to how Pavetta finds our because as I remember that’s never provided either.
This post was edited on 12/24/21 at 11:45 am
Posted on 12/24/21 at 12:04 pm to td01241
Also the more coverage and reviews of this show I watch I find almost no one mentioning or covering the shows decision to present Yennefer as the tritagonist or at times main protagonist of this story. It was more acceptable in season 1 as they actually built on a lot of stuff left vague or absent in creative ways. It’s jarring and puts me off at times in season 2.
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