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Posted on 6/20/14 at 11:48 am to BlacknGold
Hey, it will never reach the same number as any batman film or the original taken. 
Posted on 6/20/14 at 11:49 am to TigerMyth36
idk. it only came out a year ago. the thread count is pretty impressive in that amount of time.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 11:51 am to TigerMyth36
Jonathan Kent and Jor-El had such differing plans for Clark, that I cannot believe there wasn't a struggle. Obviously, the choice was taken out of clark's hands with the arrival zod, but there was a wasted opportunity for internal strife from which superman would arise
I think Zod played by Michael Shannon and his cohorts were so fricking cool, but they should've been the second movie. You don't blow your load on the first movie.
Superman's first test is full scale disaster...not a good choice. Intervention in whatever the struggle for the first movie should've been could've been a great theme and point of conflict within the movie
MoS sets the table for internal conflict, only to release clark of any tough decisions. Well no shite you have to reveal yourself and stop a genocidal maniac.
I think Zod played by Michael Shannon and his cohorts were so fricking cool, but they should've been the second movie. You don't blow your load on the first movie.
Superman's first test is full scale disaster...not a good choice. Intervention in whatever the struggle for the first movie should've been could've been a great theme and point of conflict within the movie
MoS sets the table for internal conflict, only to release clark of any tough decisions. Well no shite you have to reveal yourself and stop a genocidal maniac.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 11:53 am to DelU249
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first test is full scale disaster
This is a problem with most fantasy and sci-fi today.
There aren't smaller tales to be told. Every movie or every episode has to be about the total cataclysmic destruction of all life.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 11:58 am to DelU249
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Jonathan Kent and Jor-El had such differing plans for Clark, that I cannot believe there wasn't a struggle. Obviously, the choice was taken out of clark's hands with the arrival zod,
i thought they did set up a struggle. the first 30 minutes showed him hiding and never getting involved in things. you wanted that for 2 hours?
when Zod appeared, he then had a choice to make. thats exactly what you were talking about. it also showcased how he must embrace his Kyrptonian birthright instead of hide it like he has been. i saw it as him accepting his role as a man from two worlds.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 12:42 pm to TigerMyth36
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The guy is so awesome playing someone unhinged.
I love his Funny or Die bit where he is reading the Sorority Email.
Just looked this up and it was awesome, thank you. You are a credit to this site. And Man of Steel was a great movie, people shitting on it are taking it way too seriously.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 1:02 pm to BlacknGold
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he then had a choice to make
but he didn't. Zod was a genocidal maniac (he knew this beforehand) who was bent on world destruction via recreating krypton. That's why I wish they would have held zod for the second movie. He also learns about Krypton and why he was sent to earth about 5 minutes before he is faced with his "choice" There wasn't any internal conflict that he had to overcome, or a crucial choice he had to make. It set up well, and I didn't want the whole movie to be that, just the pitch and the swing are a little incompatible if you ask me.
look, don't get me wrong I like MoS. I own it. I've probably seen it 5 or 6 times
This post was edited on 6/20/14 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 6/20/14 at 1:24 pm to DelU249
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Lois Lane becomes a bad arse. The historically clueless human, wages war on Zods shipmates, killing more of them than Supe did
In the movies from the previous century she was clueless, but in the comics and animated features she's been pretty bad-arse. Lois and Jimmy were basically crimefighters in their own right during the late 60's through the 80's.
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Do you really have fun watching te old Superman movies?
Yes. 1 and 2 are good for what they are. I had my initial problems when they came out, since they didn't take Lois and Luthor very seriously. But I still watch them, especially for the high points.
Glenn Ford was a perfect Pa Kent. His love for his son beamed with every expression, but you could also see the concern that he had for Clark. Costner wasn't able to mask the concern at all. Seemed like his Clark would have a sad childhood with a dour dad that was always miserable.
Terence Stamp is untouchable. For a movie with a near-comedic setting, he gives an amazing performance as a villain. I put it up there with the best.
And as horrifyingly bad as the "Can you read my mind" Lois and Superman scene is, at least that Superman had some joy in his life. Poor Cavill had one short scene playing with his dog, other than that he seemed to have an almost joyless existence.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 1:35 pm to TigerMyth36
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There aren't smaller tales to be told. Every movie or every episode has to be about the total cataclysmic destruction of all life.
Agreed. Some of the best Superman, Batman, Spider-Man stories were set on a small scale.
For the Man Who Has Everything was set in the Fortress of Solitude and took place in an afternoon. We'll never get a great Batman detective mystery that doesn't involve the destruction of Gotham.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 1:39 pm to TigerMyth36
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There aren't smaller tales to be told
A better way of saying it. And I would like to note, that the big epic is made more satisfying when it follows the small tales. I also appreciate simplicity...for instance, the dark knight is an epic, but the joker kills some people, and blows up a few buildings (he's not taking down skyscrapers like he's popping balloons)
and I love the line "look what I did to this city with a few drums of gas and a couple of bullets"
Posted on 6/20/14 at 1:43 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:What about The Avengers? X-Men DOFP? X2?
Some of the best Superman, Batman, Spider-Man stories were set on a small scale.
This post was edited on 6/20/14 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 6/20/14 at 2:05 pm to abellsujr
yeah well when you put a shitload of superhumans/heroes together, you need a little bit more going on. hard to have personal stories when you have 5-20 main characters
This post was edited on 6/20/14 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 6/20/14 at 2:10 pm to DelU249
quote:When Superman is involved, it's always going to be large in scale. His whole existence in comics and movies is saving the world. I agree about Batman, though. I always wanted to see a murder mystery/thriller Batman movie. I will never get it. TDK was the closest thing.
yeah well when you put a shitload of superhumans/heroes together, you need a little bit more going on. hard to have personal stories when you have 5-20 main characters
This post was edited on 6/20/14 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 6/20/14 at 2:29 pm to xxKylexx
I thought that, while there were some very promising things, it ultimately tried way too hard and had some pretty bad pacing issues. Also because it was so hyped you could make a case that it had no chance in the first place. It tried to be dark but the backstory of Clark Kent is pretty damn cheesy. The only reason the Dark Knight trilogy was so good is because the way the characters and the setting were set up it made everything seem, to an extant, real and believable.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 2:34 pm to Freauxzen
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There is a space between campy and "violent and gritty," that Superman can occupy. It took itself too seriously, which is part of the reason why the criticisms are quite valid. It THINKS it's a serious film with a great narrative arc and character development. But it doesn't end up that way.
Great post and exactly how I feel about it.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 2:54 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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Yes. 1 and 2 are good for what they are. I had my initial problems when they came out, since they didn't take Lois and Luthor very seriously. But I still watch them, especially for the high points.
To me, the lack of seriousness in 1 & 2 utterly ruin them. That's just the thing I loved about MoS.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 4:16 pm to abellsujr
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When Superman is involved, it's always going to be large in scale. His whole existence in comics and movies is saving the world.
This has been the case in movies, but not in the comics, TV, and animation. Thousands of stories that ranged from simple burglaries to mob bosses. Plus the fun stuff with Mr. Mxyzptlk and Jimmy Olsen.
Even though the fate of the Earth was on the line in Star Trek IV, they still handled it as a light adventure. It would be great to see a smart yet fun adventure for Superman.
That was my hope for the Ant-Man film, but they let Wright get away. I'd love to see him tackle a mid-level superhero movie for DC.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 4:20 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:I'm not saying there shouldn't be light in the adventure, but in a Superman movie, the world will always be at stake. It just comes with the amount of power he brings to the table. There has to be a challenge for him. The Avengers was a perfect example of this.
Even though the fate of the Earth was on the line in Star Trek IV, they still handled it as a light adventure. It would be great to see a smart yet fun adventure for Superman.
This post was edited on 6/20/14 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 6/20/14 at 4:30 pm to xxKylexx
I don't hate it but it's an astonishing mess.
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