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re: Why did Aragorn prevent Théoden from killing Gríma (wormtongue)?
Posted on 8/11/11 at 5:08 pm to Josh Fenderman
Posted on 8/11/11 at 5:08 pm to Josh Fenderman
the lowliest or least regarded have critical roles to play in the demise of evil in Middle Earth.
Hobbits : Ring bearrers
Gollum: critical to the destruction of the ring/Sauron
Grimma: kills Saruman
Bilbo's compassion saves Golum and therfore Middle Earth.
Aragon's compassion saves Grimma and therefore rids ME of Sauruman.
Hobbits : Ring bearrers
Gollum: critical to the destruction of the ring/Sauron
Grimma: kills Saruman
Bilbo's compassion saves Golum and therfore Middle Earth.
Aragon's compassion saves Grimma and therefore rids ME of Sauruman.
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Posted on 8/11/11 at 7:57 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
I may be mistaken but I don't remember Aragon making this stand about letting Grima go in the book. One of the few misteps (in my opinion) the movie makers made when adopting the book - the other notable one being some parts of the Faramir storyline.
Posted on 8/11/11 at 8:54 pm to Josh Fenderman
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Nobody seems to have said this yet so I'll chime in. In the books there is a section at the end of ROTK called The Scouring of the Shire. Basically Grima and Saruman have gone back to the Shire with a bunch of thugs from Isengard. The four hobbits lead a battle and take it back. At the end Grima gets pissed at Saruman for something and jumps on his back and stabs him, then runs away. I don't remember it ever saying where he goes.
As I remember the book, after Grima kills Sauraman the hobbits take him out with some arrows before Frodo can stop them.
Posted on 8/11/11 at 9:06 pm to Lexo
Another important event with Grima from the books was when the ents had Saruman surrounded at Isengard Grima threw Saruman's crystal ball out the window and one of the hobbits picked it up, and this led to problems for that hobbit later on.
Posted on 8/11/11 at 9:40 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
Scouring of the Shire...educate yourself.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 6:13 am to jacks40
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Sauroman was pretty smart think he would have figured it out himself
how would he know about the drain?
Posted on 8/12/11 at 8:20 am to Lacour
mercy....the tolkien books are allegorical....some people don't realize that...there are underlying lessons form christianity hidden in all things middle earth...just like C.S. Lewis and Narnia...
the two authors were actually friends...
the two authors were actually friends...
Posted on 8/12/11 at 11:26 am to SthGADawg
More than that. Tolkien converted Lewis to Christianity.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 11:38 am to udtiger
Anyone who is a fan of the books should read The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien.
He explains, in letters to various people, a great deal about what some of you have already mentioned - the crucial role of the seemingly insignificant. One point he makes, responding to readers who were so dismayed at Frodo's temptation and failure, is that Frodo didn't fail. He pushed his will to the boundary of what anyone could expect. The Ring was always too powerful to resist. That, as a result of Frodo's mercy, Gollum was there to "redeem" Frodo in his time of weakness was a very intentional plot point and does point to elements in Christianity, though Tolkien would likely snarl and spit at any attempt to draw religious parallels to the series.
I've read the Letters book through three times in the last 15 years and have always found something new and interesting.
He explains, in letters to various people, a great deal about what some of you have already mentioned - the crucial role of the seemingly insignificant. One point he makes, responding to readers who were so dismayed at Frodo's temptation and failure, is that Frodo didn't fail. He pushed his will to the boundary of what anyone could expect. The Ring was always too powerful to resist. That, as a result of Frodo's mercy, Gollum was there to "redeem" Frodo in his time of weakness was a very intentional plot point and does point to elements in Christianity, though Tolkien would likely snarl and spit at any attempt to draw religious parallels to the series.
I've read the Letters book through three times in the last 15 years and have always found something new and interesting.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 11:53 am to SthGADawg
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the two authors were actually friends
When I visited England about 10 years ago I had lunch and a beer in the pub where Lewis and Tolkien regularly met in Oxford.
:csb:
Posted on 8/12/11 at 11:58 am to Josh Fenderman
Eagle & Child (Bird & Baby) or Lamb & Flag?
Either way, definitely a csb.
Trivia: The MMORPG "Lord of The Rings Online" had a pub in a town called Bird & Baby.
Either way, definitely a csb.
Trivia: The MMORPG "Lord of The Rings Online" had a pub in a town called Bird & Baby.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 12:05 pm to FleshEatingSalsa
Eagle & Child.
They had pamphlets up on a board talking about some kind of tuesday night Hobbit reading. That or some ads for a Hobbit play somewhere in town. I can't really remember.
They had pamphlets up on a board talking about some kind of tuesday night Hobbit reading. That or some ads for a Hobbit play somewhere in town. I can't really remember.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 12:50 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
Double post
This post was edited on 8/12/11 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 8/12/11 at 12:51 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
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Gríma kills him if I remember correctly. Its been years since I read the book though
Correct. He kills him at the very end after Frodo banishes them from the Shire.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 1:07 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
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Why did Aragorn prevent Théoden from killing Gríma (wormtongue)?
One of the weakest moments in the book and movie IMHO. The king of Rohan awakes from evil possession by Rohan and Aragorn has the nerve to restrain the king from metering out justice on an evil conspirator? Grima should have at least been jailed and tried for his conspiracy.
I get that Tolkien was trying to make a stark distinction between how good deals with evil and vice versus but it just doesn't work to let a criminal who had done untold damage to the realm go free.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 2:01 pm to Scruffy
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Well this thread ended quickly.
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