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Why did Aragorn prevent Théoden from killing Gríma (wormtongue)?
Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:10 pm
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Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:13 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
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Why did Aragorn prevent Théoden from killing Gríma (wormtongue)?
Because "enough blood has already been shed on his account" - he says so.
Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:18 pm to GeauxColonels
Well this thread ended quickly.
Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:20 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
I was waiting for Legolas to pop him with an arrow as he rode away
I guess he just chilled in the tower with Saruman after Isengard fell and they had ghey secks
I guess he just chilled in the tower with Saruman after Isengard fell and they had ghey secks
Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:22 pm to the smoke monster
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I guess he just chilled in the tower with Saruman after Isengard fell and they had ghey secks
obviously someone didn't read the book
Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:25 pm to iAmBatman
no, i havent
what ends up happening to him?
what ends up happening to him?
Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:28 pm to GeauxColonels
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Because "enough blood has already been shed on his account" - he says so.
Thanks
Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:28 pm to the smoke monster
And obviously didn't watch ROTK.
Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:32 pm to the smoke monster
quote:Saruman dies. They have him die in the extended version. I don't remember what happens to Grima though.
no, i havent
what ends up happening to him?
Saruman dies differently in the books doesn't he? Doesn't Frodo kill him in the shire or something? I can't remember. Been too long.
Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:32 pm to sicboy
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And obviously didn't watch ROTK
Well, now I feel stupid. I guess I'm having a brain fart bc I still can't f'ing remember.
Trust me, Im down with the LOTR and have seen them all multiple times
Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:34 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
not really sure what Aragorn's motivation is, but it ends up setting up Saruman's downfall. It's been an age since I've read the books so I forget what wormtongue's role is there.
Similar theme to letting Gollum live so he can be around when Frodo nearly falls to temptation. Gollum didn't have the purest of motives, but he made sure the deed got done.
Tolkien seemed to like the idea of letting these awful pieces of shite live because there is the off chance they might have some part left to play that benefits the good guys.
Similar theme to letting Gollum live so he can be around when Frodo nearly falls to temptation. Gollum didn't have the purest of motives, but he made sure the deed got done.
Tolkien seemed to like the idea of letting these awful pieces of shite live because there is the off chance they might have some part left to play that benefits the good guys.
This post was edited on 8/11/11 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:35 pm to Scruffy
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Saruman dies differently in the books doesn't he? Doesn't Frodo kill him in the shire or something? I can't remember. Been too long.
Gríma kills him if I remember correctly. Its been years since I read the book though.
Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:35 pm to the smoke monster
Haven't read the books (forgive me), but at the beginning of ROTK, both him and Sauron (sic?) are at the top of the tower, he stabs Sauron in the back, and Legolas sticks Grima with an arrow.
Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:37 pm to CornDogCologne
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not really sure what Aragorn's motivation is
This is what I'm really getting at.
Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:41 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
Maybe because he used to be a man of Rohan, and figured that if shown that act of mercy, he might reconsider the side he took. Obviously didn't work that way.
Also, just because Aragorn is a good person, and doesn't believe in killing needlessly.
Also, just because Aragorn is a good person, and doesn't believe in killing needlessly.
Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:43 pm to sicboy
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Also, just because Aragorn is a good person, and doesn't believe in killing needlessly.
This is what I figured. I know Tolkien likes to recycle evil characters and use them for good later in the books. I guess I'm just reading too much into this.
Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:45 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
It's one of those plot points where you're going "If they had at least detained him, Sauron wouldn't know to go to Helm's Deep". Drives the story, I suppose.
This post was edited on 8/11/11 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:47 pm to sicboy
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"If they had at least detained him, Sauron wouldn't know to go to Helm's Deep".
Exactly.
Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:53 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
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Posted by LSUSOBEAST1
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"If they had at least detained him, Sauron wouldn't know to go to Helm's Deep".
Exactly.
Sauroman was pretty smart think he would have figured it out himself
Posted on 8/11/11 at 4:56 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
Nobody seems to have said this yet so I'll chime in. In the books there is a section at the end of ROTK called The Scouring of the Shire. Basically Grima and Saruman have gone back to the Shire with a bunch of thugs from Isengard. The four hobbits lead a battle and take it back. At the end Grima gets pissed at Saruman for something and jumps on his back and stabs him, then runs away. I don't remember it ever saying where he goes.
So basically it's the same thing that they show in the extended version without Saruman falling from the tower.
Wiki says this about OP's question from the book:
I guess they didn't think about what he would do afterwards?
So basically it's the same thing that they show in the extended version without Saruman falling from the tower.
Wiki says this about OP's question from the book:
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Gríma was given a choice: prove his loyalty and ride into battle with the king, or ride into exile. Choosing the latter, he went to dwell with Saruman at Orthanc
I guess they didn't think about what he would do afterwards?
This post was edited on 8/11/11 at 5:01 pm
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